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    Seattle has a relatively mild climate. Not Los Angeles mild, but milder than most places. It didn't snow this this past winter; our winter weather was 5-10 day stretches of daily rain, which is the norm, but this year was dryer. We probably had 5-10 days below freezing, and not far below. In any year there are less than ten days where the temperature is over ninety. Most the summer is in the sixties and seventies. The temperature is relatively constant.

    Thus, our roads should be fairly easy to maintain. Right? Indeed, I don't recall ever seeing a pot hole. In contrast, I recall that in Salt Lake pot holes were common place; big gaping sores opened up in the roadways and you had to memorize them or else pay the price. I got a flat tire hitting one hard once. Construction crews scrambled around trying to keep up, and I'm sure there were budgetary constraints.

    Nevertheless, I have never lived in a city with anywhere near so much road construction as Seattle. Everywhere you go the roads are choked by it. In the past two years my entire six mile commute has been completely torn up and replaced. (The construction slowed my communte, and to add insult to injury they took one lane on each side of the double three lane thoroughfare that is the longest part of my commute and dedicated it to bicyclists and busses. There are very few bicyclers and buses on this road, as there is actually a parallel paved bike path a quarter mile away; the added conjestion has added five minutes to my commute. This development captures what's vexing about Seattle City government.)

    I have no idea what this construction is ever about. They just seem to be tearing up perfectly fine roads, replacing and repainting them. Sometimes they remove and replace some pipes for good measure. But I never hear of sewer or water lines broken.

    I have just about convinced myself that this is a big socialist conspiracy. I can imagine an unwritten rule in the mayor's office that construction crews need to be deployed tearing up roads and replacing them all the time, to stimulate the economy and keep the road construction labor force fully employed. We have yawning deficits like everyone else, and I'd think that some of these road construction projects could be back burnered, but it's not happening, even though logically you'd expect this could be a place where money could be saved. But I'm less concerned about the expense--in a city the size of Seattle this may not add too much to my property taxes--than the inconvenience.

    Could all this road construction be a scam? Am I nuts? Is this Seattle's "Chinatown"? I bet road maintenance is a huge political cesspool with lots of money involved.
    Last edited by SeattleUte; 03-30-2010, 09:13 PM.
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    Aren't you guys getting ready to build another floating bridge?

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      six miles? Geez, get a bike and ride. I have a 7 mile commute and ride my bike all the time. Of course our mild weather is truy mild weather compared to your mild weather. But still . . .
      PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by creekster View Post
        six miles? Geez, get a bike and ride. I have a 7 mile commute and ride my bike all the time. Of course our mild weather is truy mild weather compared to your mild weather. But still . . .
        Maybe he doesn't want to go into work looking sweaty and gross and smelling like a foot.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by YOhio View Post
          Maybe he doesn't want to go into work looking sweaty and gross and smelling like a foot.
          As if that isn't something he has to deal with anyway?
          PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by YOhio View Post
            Aren't you guys getting ready to build another floating bridge?
            Boy, I'm impressed with your knowledge of our current events. Yes, that's a huge issue here. A lot of people think THAT is just a huge waste of money and an indugence of pet political agendas. They had a big segment about it on the local public station this morning. They're doing it to isntall two new all car pool lantes, but peopel expreienced with that trans Lake Washington commute say it will just create a nightmarish bottle neck at the tie in to I-5.
            When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by creekster View Post
              six miles? Geez, get a bike and ride. I have a 7 mile commute and ride my bike all the time. Of course our mild weather is truy mild weather compared to your mild weather. But still . . .
              I want to say one word to you. Just one word. Are you listening? YOGA.
              When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

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                I am not sure about the legitimacy of all of these repairs, but I am so sorry to hear about the added 5 minutes to your commute.
                Fitter. Happier. More Productive.

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                  I have to say that the Utah freeway system is very well maintained and also very pretty. I haven't been able to attend a bridge placement (where they build a retrofitted bridge alongside the freeway near the old bridge, then they wheel in a behemammoth crane in and crane that sucker over the freeway) but I would imagine its a fun 4am morning.

                  Of course, I moved here after the Olympics, so I am free riding on all the infrastructural improvements made for the Olys.

                  The local roads sometimes are torn up, but they seem to get patched fairly quickly.

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                  • #10
                    Sounds like shovel-ready projects. Most of the funding is probably coming from the Federal government via the stimulus.

                    As for your commute, buy a Vespa. Then you will get to ride in the other lane and be environmentally friendly at the same time.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Eddie Jones View Post
                      Sounds like shovel-ready projects. Most of the funding is probably coming from the Federal government via the stimulus.
                      I think you're right. The recovery.gov site has a cool interactive map to track the stimulus spending and WDOT has received some funding.

                      http://www.recovery.gov/Transparency...edDataMap.aspx

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
                        I am not sure about the legitimacy of all of these repairs, but I am so sorry to hear about the added 5 minutes to your commute.
                        The horror indeed.
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                        • #13
                          Seattle is the worst run metropolitan city in the United States. The lack of leadership in the past and the continuing lack of leadership astounds me. Governor Gregoire is no leader either.
                          "To the man who only has a hammer, everything he encounters begins to look like a nail."
                          —Abraham Maslow

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                            Originally posted by WashingtonCoug View Post
                            Seattle is the worst run metropolitan city in the United States. The lack of leadership in the past and the continuing lack of leadership astounds me. Governor Gregoire is no leader either.
                            I agree our local government is bad. The schools are like the canary in the mine. It's probably not the worst, though. When I lived in Washington DC local government was completely dsyfunctional. Someone would get murdered and no one woudl attend to the corpse for days. (Mayor Barry's administration.)
                            When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

                            --Jonathan Swift

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by WashingtonCoug View Post
                              Seattle is the worst run metropolitan city in the United States. The lack of leadership in the past and the continuing lack of leadership astounds me. Governor Gregoire is no leader either.
                              uh yeah.... try Detroit.

                              Has the mayor of seattle been implicated in the killing of an exotic dancer who was dancing at a party and the city mansion? Has the mayor of seattle been in a text scandal where him and another city authority (who he was having an affair with) tried to cover up the murder.

                              Has a city council member who

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