Death Penalty

[Jeff Lebowski]

Yeah, I've been pondering this as well, given the families' response to the Parkland shooter not getting the death penalty.

Maybe part of this is that we have all been raised in a culture where executing people is common practice. It isn't that way in many countries. We are more similar to Russia and China than we are to Europe on this issue.

[Pelado]

Yeah, I would say that is the precise definition of a desire for vengeance.

Thanks. Good to know.

Then we would be no better than the criminals.

I sometimes see people hope that a convict gets raped in prison. That is truly sick.

I'm not advocating that.

And it's certainly possible that I'm no better than the criminals. But if the victim had been my wife or child, I'm not sure if life in prison would be enough.

[Bo Diddley]

Utah to challenge decision overturning death row conviction

Maybe just let it go instead of wasting more tax payer money on this.

[Northwestcoug]

It is such a farce to us to kill people but try to do it in a societally acceptable way. Given the shortage of sedatives for execution, Alabama and a few other states are rearing to go on 'nitrogen asphyxiation', where someone is given a mask to breath pure nitrogen. This is without sedatives, so it will literally asphyxiate someone who is conscious. It's never been tried on humans, let alone regulated, but hey, at least they're not shooting or hanging them!

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/alabama-plans-execute-man-using-nitrogen-gas-will-work-know-rcna129814

[Bo Diddley]

It is such a farce to us to kill people but try to do it in a societally acceptable way. Given the shortage of sedatives for execution, Alabama and a few other states are rearing to go on 'nitrogen asphyxiation', where someone is given a mask to breath pure nitrogen. This is without sedatives, so it will literally asphyxiate someone who is conscious. It's never been tried on humans, let alone regulated, but hey, at least they're not shooting or hanging them!

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...now-rcna129814

Wouldn't CO be better?

Reminds me a discussion I had the other day about dogs which you wouldn't appreciate, so I won't summarize.

[Northwestcoug]

Wouldn't CO be better?

Reminds me a discussion I had the other day about dogs which you wouldn't appreciate, so I won't summarize.

Accidental exposure to both have side effects. CO poisoning can give bad headaches, vomiting has been reported with nitrogen. I don't think we have a handle on what nitrogen would do when willfully administered, though no doubt there would be some point where some painful symptoms would occur. Not the main point though. They're trying to find a way to kill people that doesn't offend the populace's sensibilities. A gun squad would be more 'humane' than asphyxiation.

[Non Sequitur]

It is such a farce to us to kill people but try to do it in a societally acceptable way. Given the shortage of sedatives for execution, Alabama and a few other states are rearing to go on 'nitrogen asphyxiation', where someone is given a mask to breath pure nitrogen. This is without sedatives, so it will literally asphyxiate someone who is conscious. It's never been tried on humans, let alone regulated, but hey, at least they're not shooting or hanging them!

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...now-rcna129814

They over-complicate the hell out of this. I go in for a colonoscopy and they give me a shot, and I'm out for an hour and wake up in the blink of an eye like nothing happened. Just do the same thing for these prisoners we want to kill, but during that hour just shoot them in the head. They're not going to know. Easy-peasy.

[Clark Addison]

They over-complicate the hell out of this. I go in for a colonoscopy and they give me a shot, and I'm out for an hour and wake up in the blink of an eye like nothing happened. Just do the same thing for these prisoners we want to kill, but during that hour just shoot them in the head. They're not going to know. Easy-peasy.

My understanding is that they have a real time getting drugs that will do this because many companies won't sell drugs that are going to be used to kill people.

Feel free to correct me if I am wrong here.

They should probably just funnel some of the fentanyl that they confiscate to use in executions.

[Northwestcoug]

My understanding is that they have a real time getting drugs that will do this because many companies won't sell drugs that are going to be used to kill people.

Feel free to correct me if I am wrong here.
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This is my understanding. Most of the shortage is intentional from the pharmaceutical industry.

[All-American]

Accidental exposure to both have side effects. CO poisoning can give bad headaches, vomiting has been reported with nitrogen. I don't think we have a handle on what nitrogen would do when willfully administered, though no doubt there would be some point where some painful symptoms would occur. Not the main point though. They're trying to find a way to kill people that doesn't offend the populace's sensibilities. A gun squad would be more 'humane' than asphyxiation.

Yeah. We know how to kill a man good and dead, and quick. If you aren’t comfortable with using the tried and true method, then let’s stop pretending.

[falafel]

Yeah. We know how to kill a man good and dead, and quick. If you aren’t comfortable with using the tried and true method, then let’s stop pretending.

The funniest part of this whole debate is the call to find a way to "kill people humanely".

[Non Sequitur]

This is my understanding. Most of the shortage is intentional from the pharmaceutical industry.

Have they asked the Sacklers? Those guys don't seem to have a problem killing people.

[beefytee]

My understanding is that they have a real time getting drugs that will do this because many companies won't sell drugs that are going to be used to kill people.

Feel free to correct me if I am wrong here.

They should probably just funnel some of the fentanyl that they confiscate to use in executions.

Do the assisted suicide places have the same issue?

[Northwestcoug]

Do the assisted suicide places have the same issue?

That's a good question. In Oregon, a physician prescribes a lethal dose of medicines like versed and muscle relaxants. They don't administer it themselves (euthanasia is still illegal everywhere in the US as far as I understand), but they prescribe the meds and the patient takes them.

[Moliere]

The funniest part of this whole debate is the call to find a way to "kill people humanely".