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  • #61
    Originally posted by Maximus View Post
    Well, if you mean Hamas when you say Palestinians, I would agree. Palestinians in general, versus Israelis, it is debatable. Anyways, that is besides the point. The PA has really done most everything they agreed to in the 1990s. israel has not.
    Hamas is the 'democratically elected' ruling party right now, so effectively they are one and the same.
    Everything in life is an approximation.

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    • #62
      For those of you who think things would be a lot better for Israel if they would placate the Arab nations, I suggest you first look at the French model.

      No, I don't mean the French/German model. Go clear back to the Viking times. The French have been trying to make the "be passive and they will like us model" work for Centuries. Lets give France to the Palestinians.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Indy Coug View Post
        Hamas is the 'democratically elected' ruling party right now, so effectively they are one and the same.
        ...in Gaza.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Maximus View Post
          ...in Gaza.
          Again, public perception isn't nearly as into splitting hairs as you seem to be.
          Everything in life is an approximation.

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          • #65
            One question, how to deal with someone whose stated goal is to destroy your country and is actively trying to do so?

            I may be small, but I'm slow.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by happyone View Post
              One question, how to deal with someone whose stated goal is to destroy your country and is actively trying to do so?
              Start with ending the occupation of the West Bank.

              Actually, start with halting construction of new settlements.
              "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
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              • #67
                Originally posted by happyone View Post
                One question, how to deal with someone whose stated goal is to destroy your country and is actively trying to do so?
                Well that depends on whether or not they are being taxed with or without representation. The scary thing is that most hard core Conservatives view Obama as destroying our country and under your definition would be eligible for assassination.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by SloanHater View Post
                  Well that depends on whether or not they are being taxed with or without representation. The scary thing is that most hard core Conservatives view Obama as destroying our country and under your definition would be eligible for assassination.
                  Given your reading comprehension, your English teacher would be eligible for assassination.
                  Everything in life is an approximation.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by SloanHater View Post
                    Well that depends on whether or not they are being taxed with or without representation. The scary thing is that most hard core Conservatives view Obama as destroying our country and under your definition would be eligible for assassination.
                    Do your bum cheeks ever burn bad as you blow smoke out your butt.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by happyone View Post
                      One question, how to deal with someone whose stated goal is to destroy your country and is actively trying to do so?
                      Actually, Hamas has stated they are content with 1967 borders and Israel still existing. Their updated charter should I say does not call for the destruction of Israel.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                        Start with ending the occupation of the West Bank.

                        Actually, start with halting construction of new settlements.
                        Amen.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                          Start with ending the occupation of the West Bank.

                          Actually, start with halting construction of new settlements.
                          I don't get what kind of value system enables suicide bombers, killers of children and fascists to claim the high moral high ground over "occupiers of the West Bank." It's an old story--Palestinians suffer because their leaders are war mongers and mass murderers.
                          When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

                          --Jonathan Swift

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                            Start with ending the occupation of the West Bank.

                            Actually, start with halting construction of new settlements.
                            I like that. What guarantees are you going to give the Israeli's if they abandon what they think is in their best interest to stay safe and they end up with a barage of attacks.

                            Really, I would like peace, but what is your back up plan if they get the settlements stopped and the Palestinians still stage terrorist attacks and Iran tries to get the nuke.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Maximus View Post
                              Their updated charter should I say does not call for the destruction of Israel.
                              So it was updated to remove the call for destruction?
                              Everything in life is an approximation.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Indy Coug View Post
                                So it was updated to remove the call for destruction?
                                Well until I find the link of the story I was talking about, here are a few reading points:

                                http://new.jpost.com/International/A...aspx?id=166268

                                and this is what I was talking about:
                                http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/jan/12/israel

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