Hamas big killed

[Indy Coug]

One of the lasting legacies of the story of Laban is that Mormons tend to support the idea that MURDER can be okay if the ends can justify it.

I blame Spock.

[MindfulCoug]

Unless you believe the Law of Moses is still in effect.

The law of Moses is still in effect when it says the promised land has to be returned to chosen people, but it is not in effect when it comes to dealing with unchosen people. Got you.

[CJF]

Assassination is MURDER, paid for by a government.

Ironically it is conservatives, who tend to trust government the least, who are the ones most likely to support state sponsored murder.

So you don't support the US trying to assasinate Bin Laden?

[Indy Coug]

The law of Moses is still in effect when it says the promised land has to be returned to chosen people, but it is not in effect when it comes to dealing with unchosen people. Got you.

I'm not subject to the Law of Moses anymore, so you didn't get me.

[SloanHater]

I think it's a complete catch-22. They're screwed either way, so they've opted not to sit there and take it.

Simple: One less Hamas thug out planning sucide bombing in Israel......

I don't see how Israel is going to win with this stratagem. They've been killing 'bad guys' for decades and look at the progress they've made.

You are obviously of the belief that killing someone doesn't embolden their family and friends to action. Why provide Hamas with recruiting material?

[Indy Coug]

I don't see how Israel is going to win with this stratagem. They've been killing 'bad guys' for decades and look at the progress they've made.

You are obviously of the belief that killing someone doesn't embolden their family and friends to action. Why provide Hamas with recruiting material?

This is simply a false premise. Hamas is going to do what Hamas is going to do regardless if Israel assassinates their leaders or not.

[happyone]

What ever you think of the morality of the issue, you have to admit that the MOSAD is good at what they do.

My opinion is that Israel is at war with Hamas and he was a legitmate target. The same goes for the other side.
If he had been in the Gaza Strip and they had taken him out with rockets from a chopper, would it have been any different?

[Indy Coug]

What ever you think of the morality of the issue, you have to admit that the MOSAD is good at what they do.

My opinion is that Israel is at war with Hamas and he was a legitmate target. If he had been in the Gaza Strip and they had taken him out with rockets from a helio, would it have been any different?

What they did in Dubai is more humane because it had a significantly reduced risk of collateral damage.

[happyone]

What they did in Dubai is more humane because it had a significantly reduced risk of collateral damage.

I agree. I also think if this had been done in Gaza, there wouldn't have been such a "fuss" made about it.

[I.J. Reilly]

Assassination is MURDER, paid for by a government.

Ironically it is conservatives, who tend to trust government the least, who are the ones most likely to support state sponsored murder.

What is your definition of murder? Are all murders equal? If so, should all punishment for your definition of murder be equal? If all murders are not equal, where does an assassination sit on the continuum, and how should an assassination be punished?

[dabrockster]

One of the lasting legacies of the story of Laban is that Mormons tend to support the idea that MURDER can be okay if the ends can justify it.

That goes beyond just mormons there Robin... As if a Vengance God in the Old Testament had not turned anyone to dust etc...

I get what you are saying, because this example is in the Book of Mormon.. I taught a family and they were hung up on this. I understood their issue, but I fuond it odd considering this was not the only time God had taken someone life. Or a whole city etc...

[MindfulCoug]

I'm not subject to the Law of Moses anymore, so you didn't get me.

But the impression your position on this issue is making does not support your disapprobation of those who are hypocritically subject to the Law of Moses.

[dabrockster]

I don't see how Israel is going to win with this stratagem. They've been killing 'bad guys' for decades and look at the progress they've made.

You are obviously of the belief that killing someone doesn't embolden their family and friends to action. Why provide Hamas with recruiting material?

LOL.. As if his family/friends were just innocent bystandards who disagreed with his position and this all of a sudden changed their opinion of Israel...

You can't be serious...

[SloanHater]

This is simply a false premise. Hamas is going to do what Hamas is going to do regardless if Israel assassinates their leaders or not.

False premise? So you think Hamas leadership doesn't operate under the assumption that they could be killed at any time? You don't think this knowledge of their shortened life expectancy doesn't drastically affect their behavior or decisions?

You still haven't cited how assassination has helped Israel. Replacements are found, the attacks continue, the cycle of death is perpetuated.

Is there never a situation that would make an assassination acceptable? Are predator drone strikes assassinations? What makes an assassination immoral?

Btw, I'm not trolling on this, just genuinely curious to hear your thoughts.

This is why I have a problem with a "War on Terror." The nebulousness of the group with whom we're at war renders the definition of assassination meaningless.

Are the predator strikes strictly military operations to kill militants who have been shooting at our troops or an assassination of local leaders who refuse to comply and support a separatist movement?

I don't know the motives of our generals, but I'm encouraged by the fact that I don't see these types of strikes happening outside the current theatre of war.

The question of morality strikes at the very definition of assassination. How does one justify the morality of assassination even with the noblest of motives?

As for Bin Laden, I wouldn't cry to hear that he was assassinated, but I'd much prefer seeing him brought back to the US and rot of old age on the American soil he fought so hard to destroy.

[byu71]

Assassination is MURDER, paid for by a government.

Ironically it is conservatives, who tend to trust government the least, who are the ones most likely to support state sponsored murder.

So are you saying that if we assinate Bin Laden, Obama, Pelosi and Reid will speak out against it rather than taking claim for it?

Does your definition of assination extend to revolutionaries or is it only when a government assinates that it would be murder.