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"I know I didn't vote for you, and I've ripped on you from the first time I heard of you, and I bias against you in every context possible... but it really pisses me off that you don't listen to my demands for your administration! I hate you for not paying attention to what I want even though I didn't vote for you and I rip on you constantly."Visca Catalunya Lliure
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I haven't heard this anywhere. Perhaps you could expound on how the President of the United States having a beer with a couple of guys so upset the electorate in Massachusetts that they voted to put a Republican into a US Senate seat that has been a Democrat's seat ever since a one term Republican Senator lost it to JFK in 1953.Originally posted by dabrockster View PostAnd.. BOOM.. There goes the Dynamite...
That was an enjoyable evening... Here is hoping the Obama Admin wakes up to the reality of their situation and what they have tried to do this first year.. But I have a feeling the Arrogant Obama Admin will not change course..
I also think Obama's blunder on the Cambridge Police played a major fact in votes as well..Last edited by I.J. Reilly; 01-20-2010, 06:56 AM.
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You don't think Obama is arrogant? Very good spin.Originally posted by Tim View PostI would describe it as "unprofessional" or "counterproductive," but those two certainly do not equate to "arrogance."
Lets not forget that ONLY reason the senate passed the healthcare bill is because of bribes. Louisiana, Arkansas, Nebraska, Florida. And for Obama to think it passed because it is such a great bill and will still try to force it down America's throat is arrogance. "Let's pass the bill and then we'll explain why it is good". Most people oppose the bill but they still want to pass it because they know better than the dumb public? That is the height of arrogance.Last edited by Hallelujah; 01-20-2010, 06:57 AM.
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How do you end the war in Iraq? Pack up your bags and leave? That's brilliant. Obama hasn't even bought into that nonsense.Originally posted by Tim View PostMaybe so, Brock, but the fact that you call it out this way suggests that you think this behavior is unique to the current administration and Congress. Where were your "arrogant" labels when the majority of Americans were calling for an end to the war in Iraq and President Bush ignored them?
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It all came down to healthcare, terrorism and deficits.Originally posted by I.J. Reilly View PostI haven't heard this anywhere. Perhaps you could expound on how the President of the United States having a beer with a couple of guys so upset the electorate in Massachusetts that they voted to put in Republican into a US Senate seat that has been a Democrat's seat ever since a one term Republican Senator lost it to JFK in 1953.
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Wow. Did you leave any Kool-Aid for the rest? How did you infer all of that from a special election?Originally posted by Hallelujah View PostIt all came down to healthcare, terrorism and deficits.
Did you ever think that perhaps the people of Massachusetts simply elected the better candidate, even if he was a moderate, pro-choice Republican?
Let's wait until November before you start claiming the stench of George W. has worn off.
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Because if you listened to Brown in his campaign, those were his themes. Duh!Originally posted by SloanHater View PostWow. Did you leave any Kool-Aid for the rest? How did you infer all of that from a special election?
Did you ever think that perhaps the people of Massachusetts simply elected the better candidate, even if he was a moderate, pro-choice Republican?
Let's wait until November before you start claiming the stench of George W. has worn off.
It's bush's fault... again. Take some responsibility. You sound like a teenager.
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Believe baby! Believe.Originally posted by myboynoah View PostI still can't bring myself to believe that Brown will win this thing, but these poll results are stupifying.
Massachusetts Senate - Special Election, latest polls
Associate Spanish Professors are going nuts!
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Jon Stewart saw this coming, and had some interesting thoughts.
It is a ten-minute intro, but some of Stewart's better work. Definitely worth it if you are interested in this election, its outcome, and the ramifications for Dems going forward.
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Please. Scott Brown ran as a populist and as a moderate. I think it is premature for the Republican Party to run around claiming that this is as strong a repudiation of Obama as the 2008 election was of W.Originally posted by Hallelujah View PostBecause if you listened to Brown in his campaign, those were his themes. Duh!
It's bush's fault... again. Take some responsibility. You sound like a teenager.
If anything, this election should put all incumbents, regardless of party, on alert that populist, moderate candidates are hitting the right note with a majority of Americans.
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Those were the three main themes. Which party more closely agrees with those themes? Look at how many people support Obama on any of the top issues. Obama is being repudiated.Originally posted by SloanHater View PostPlease. Scott Brown ran as a populist and as a moderate. I think it is premature for the Republican Party to run around claiming that this is as strong a repudiation of Obama as the 2008 election was of W.
If anything, this election should put all incumbents, regardless of party, on alert that populist, moderate candidates are hitting the right note with a majority of Americans.
Which party typifies higher taxes, government control of healthcare, legal rights for terrorists? I don't think its the Repubs. The country is center to right of center in general. Which party is closer to the center or right of center? Pelosi, Reid?
I wouldn't want to try and convince you of that. I prefer for liberals to deny these facts and continue to lose.
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Good old tribal politics.Originally posted by dabrockster View PostPS: Yes, I think he is arrogant along the rest of the WH and the current Dems who are in power. Their dismissive manner and condescending responses to anyone who differs from their opinion causes me to think they are arrogant..
The current way they have shoved Health-care reform down our throats and never once looking for ways to work with the minority shows their arrogance.. This was all about bringing them back down to earth and informing them the people have spoken and they do not like their path..
Will this stop them. We'll see, but I think Obama and the WH are too arrogant to care about what we the people think..."There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
"It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
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First, this was a special election in Massachusetts NOT a national election, so the results reflect the voters of Massachusetts NOT the U.S. So how you can claim that the people of Massachusetts now identify themselves as Republicans and the GOP's positions on terrorism, deficits, and healthcare is beyond absurd.Originally posted by Hallelujah View PostThose were the three main themes. Which party more closely agrees with those themes? Look at how many people support Obama on any of the top issues. Obama is being repudiated.
Which party typifies higher taxes, government control of healthcare, legal rights for terrorists? I don't think its the Repubs. The country is center to right of center in general. Which party is closer to the center or right of center? Pelosi, Reid?
I wouldn't want to try and convince you of that. I prefer for liberals to deny these facts and continue to lose.
Second, the Democratic candidate was as approachable and appealing as you.
Lastly, as I stated previously, I think this is simply the trend of American politics. Fewer are buying the hard-line party stance and more people are self-identifying as Independents.
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I guess how it depends on how one defines arrogance. It appears to me that the WH and Congressional ldrs, or at least their present agenda, are getting increasingly unpopular with the majority of Americans. However, it appears that they are choosing to ignore the signs of the unrest. It could be stupidity, arrogance or that they are genuine idealogues who have such a conviction to their principles that they are willing to endure the fallout. Most folks tend to have a cynical view of politicians and choose arrogance as the explanation for the wanton ignoring of the obvious wishes of the American people. Most don't believe these folks are stupid and don't grasp that the majority are opposed and by the fact of their choosing politics as there vocation most, not me, eliminate the conviction to strongly held principles as an explanation to ignoring the will of the people.Originally posted by Tim View PostLOL. WTF? He's arrogant now? Why, because you disagree with him?
I believe they interpreted their sweeping victory as a mandate from the people for their agenda. I didn't think it was that then and I don't today. I think it was a rejection of the Republican's, and more specifically President Bush. I do think that their misinterpretation could be justly described as "arrogance."
Some might describe the way they test the waters with their ideas to see how they are accepted and then act in accordance with the will of the people as refreshing. Since it appears to me that an objective analysis of year one would not lead anyone to seeing it that way, I am not sure who would find it refreshing...other than it not being Georgie Bush!Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
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I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
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