Brown still up in Mass

[Goatnapper'96]

I watched this from your prior link and, while I usually find Jon Stewart's humor mildly amusing, I agree that this was well done.

However, in spite of the fact that Coakley sucked as a candidate, to all out dismiss the notion that her losing a 20 point lead in a month is not related somewhat to healthcare is ludicrous.

I keep playing in my mind the events that led up to Brown's election and it is both interesting and twisted.

Out of curiosity are there any genuine liberals who honestly don't think that the major reason this happened is voter dissatisifaction with the Democrats in DC? I understand the spin of pundits and advisors, and a better candidate might have still won but there is no way even Coaklay loses this without the frustration with DC.

[SloanHater]

How does that mean that he ran and was perceived as a moderate? I think the polling data are pretty clear that, if he ran as a moderate, he certainly wasn't perceived as such.

Way to skew the numbers. More like 70% of people polled thought Brown was moderate or somewhat conservative.

I love how conservatives are trying to make Brown one of their own. In 6 months they'll be crucifying him right along with Snowe and Collins.

[il Padrino Ute]

Way to skew the numbers. More like 70% of people polled thought Brown was moderate or somewhat conservative.

I love how conservatives are trying to make Brown one of their own. In 6 months they'll be crucifying him right along with Snowe and Collins.

It's all relative. Compared to Obama, Reid and Pelosi, Brown is a conservative.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

As someone who wants the GOP to make a big comeback in November, I can only hope that the Democrats are stupid enough to believe the spin that this election was singular to Massachusetts and doesn't mean much of anything in other states. And I really, really hope that Barbara Boxer is one of those Democrats. Fortunately for Boxer, the better GOP candidate is running for Governor as opposed for the Senate.

[cowboy]

Way to skew the numbers. More like 70% of people polled thought Brown was moderate or somewhat conservative.

I love how conservatives are trying to make Brown one of their own. In 6 months they'll be crucifying him right along with Snowe and Collins.

From the link you posted:

Twenty-eight percent (28%) say Brown is Very Conservative politically; 44% say he’s Somewhat Conservative, and 22% view him as a political moderate.

When I went to school, 44 + 22 = 66, not 70. Aside from that, the fact remains that you said he ran as a moderate. While that may or may not be true, only 22% of those polled considered him moderate. Moreover, it is still true that 72% of those polled labeled him with a conservative descriptor.

[Indy Coug]

Way to skew the numbers. More like 70% of people polled thought Brown was moderate or somewhat conservative.

I love how conservatives are trying to make Brown one of their own. In 6 months they'll be crucifying him right along with Snowe and Collins.

You obviously have no idea how to deal with numbers, you skewing ignoramus.

[Hallelujah]

Or...stay with me here...it could be that China has ordered its banks to stop issuing loans, and that housing starts were disappointing. Combined, these two items of breaking news are sending commodities and commodity stocks tumbling.

I was speaking with Fieyro and his implication that the market is down because Brown was elected and thus throwing a monkey wrench into healthcare. Talk to Fieyro. Not me.

[SloanHater]

From the link you posted:
When I went to school, 44 + 22 = 66, not 70. Aside from that, the fact remains that you said he ran as a moderate. While that may or may not be true, only 22% of those polled considered him moderate. Moreover, it is still true that 72% of those polled labeled him with a conservative descriptor.

Sorry Indy cowboy, I rounded up. 72% identified him as somewhat not conservative, moderate, or other.

As it was previously cited, he ran as a moderate Republican. I thought that was obvious by his assertions throughout the campaign that he was a moderate Republican.

I'm not sure why you even thought this was a debatable point. :igiveup:

[dabrockster]

I haven't heard this anywhere. Perhaps you could expound on how the President of the United States having a beer with a couple of guys so upset the electorate in Massachusetts that they voted to put a Republican into a US Senate seat that has been a Democrat's seat ever since a one term Republican Senator lost it to JFK in 1953.

The Drink was not what I was talking about. I was speaking about when Obama said the Cambridge police had acted Stupidly.. He lost a lot of support in Mass when he took the side of some liberal whack job professor over the cops.

Look who they endorsed and it is made clear why they did that:
http://www.wickedlocal.com/cambridge...in-Senate-race

[Hallelujah]

The Drink was not what I was talking about. I was speaking about when Obama said the Cambridge police had acted Stupidly.. He lost a lot of support in Mass when he took the side of some liberal whack job professor over the cops.

Look who they endorsed and it is made clear why they did that:
http://www.wickedlocal.com/cambridge...in-Senate-race

It was healthcare, terrorism and the economy. In that order. I don't think the police had anything to do with Croakley losing.

[dabrockster]

It was healthcare, terrorism and the economy. In that order. I don't think the police had anything to do with Croakley losing.

I will disagree.. There are MANY reason why it happened not just what you think is the cause (Which I think are reason as well, but not the ONLY reason)....

[cowboy]

It was healthcare, terrorism and the economy. In that order...

No, it wasn't.

Among the whopping 56% of voters for whom health care was the most important issue, Coakley won 53% to 46%, so the health care issue didn't necessarily help Brown as much as everyone thinks. The only other issue a double digit percentage of the voters stated as their most important was the economy, and Brown carried that group 52% to 47%. National security was the most important issue for 6% of the voters, and Brown carried that group handily, 67% to 29%.

So you're right that health care, terrorism and deficits were the most important issue. A total of 87% of the voters cited health care, the economy, and national security as their the top priority. However, Coakley led this 87% narrowly, by a 43.17% to 42.78% margin. It was taxes that actually pushed Brown over the top. of the 5% of voters for whom taxes were the most important issue, Brown pounded Coakley 87% to 13%, pushing him into a 47% to 44% lead among 92% of the voters.

[dabrockster]

Now in office, Brown's first vote was a doozie.

He jumps party lines in support of the Job's Bill. What ramifications will this have for the future. what are the people of Mass thinking about this? Will Dems rally around this as a win for bi-partisanship? Will it embolden them more that HC can pass? How will the people who voted him in on the notion that he would help curb the spending feel? This could get interesting this coming year...

To me, this just proves that it is more of the same in DC.

What are your thoughts?

Link:
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2221899520100222

Added note: Including Voinivich (From my own state) as one of the other 4 R's that voted for the bill..

[Donuthole]

Now in office, Brown's first vote was a doozie.

He jumps party lines in support of the Job's Bill. What ramifications will this have for the future. what are the people of Mass thinking about this? Will Dems rally around this as a win for bi-partisanship? Will it embolden them more that HC can pass? How will the people who voted him in on the notion that he would help curb the spending feel? This could get interesting this coming year...

To me, this just proves that it is more of the same in DC.

What are your thoughts?

Link:
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2221899520100222

Added note: Including Voinivich (From my own state) as one of the other 4 R's that voted for the bill..

Why are the Republicans complaining about a bill that cuts taxes and creates jobs? Seems like a good bill to jump party lines on. The GOP is pissed because if the bill is successful, it will dampen the potential 2010 election sting. Personally, I don't really care which party helps our economy climb out of this rut, and I don't think it is wise of the Republicans to vote down bills that are aligned with their ideals simply because they don't want the Dems to look good.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Now he is "Benedict Brown". Wow, that was a short honeymoon.

http://www.heraldextra.com/news/nati...cc4c002e0.html