Official Glenn Beck thread

[DU Ute]

LOL

I beg you, look for the words ’social justice’ or ‘economic justice’ on your church Web site. If you find it, run as fast as you can. Social justice and economic justice, they are code words.

-Glenn Beck

It is unfortunate that it is taking so long to bring full economic justice to women.

-James E. Faust

Run, Glenn! RUN!!!!

[wuapinmon]

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Run, Glenn! RUN!!!!

Dude, email that to him.

[DU Ute]

Dude, email that to him.

I will, as soon as I get my resignation letter off to the First Presidency.

[dabrockster]

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Run, Glenn! RUN!!!!

I think that is stretching it a little since women's rights (Work and education) which is what Faust was talking about is very different then social entitlement programs which I am pretty sure Beck was talking about.

But again I think you should send it to him. I bet he will get a chuckle out of it..

[Pheidippides]

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Run, Glenn! RUN!!!!

The hilariousness of this is that his very statement assumes that he is more correct and authoritarian than any church that believes in social justice or economic justice - including any church that actually does represent the will of God. IOW, his opinion is more valuable than what we believe God's opinion is.

I really do not understand what has happened to Beck. I found him entertaining to some degree some years ago, but for the past three or four I have been ashamed to be associated with him by association in the same religion.

[DU Ute]

The hilariousness of this is that his very statement assumes that he is more correct and authoritarian than any church that believes in social justice or economic justice - including any church that actually does represent the will of God. IOW, his opinion is more valuable than what we believe God's opinion is.

I really do not understand what has happened to Beck. I found him entertaining to some degree some years ago, but for the past three or four I have been ashamed to be associated with him by association in the same religion.

[frank ryan]

The hilariousness of this is that his very statement assumes that he is more correct and authoritarian than any church that believes in social justice or economic justice - including any church that actually does represent the will of God. IOW, his opinion is more valuable than what we believe God's opinion is.

I really do not understand what has happened to Beck. I found him entertaining to some degree some years ago, but for the past three or four I have been ashamed to be associated with him by association in the same religion.

As a liberal pretty much lapsed Mormon, I used to find him more entertaining than Limbaugh or Hannity and less mean. But now he seems parked at the intersection of manic depssion, Cleon Skousen worship, and obsession with his own ego.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Glenn Beck is such an idiot.

Interesting article from the DesNews:

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700016115/Mormons-other-Christians-decry-Glenn-Beck-comments-on-social-justice.html?pg=1

Looks like the church is doing its best to distance themselves from Beck. I especially enjoyed this quote:

The Times also interviewed Kent P. Jackson, associate dean of religion at BYU. "My own experience as a believing Latter-day Saint over the course of 60 years is that I have seen social justice in practice in every LDS congregation I've been in," Jackson said. "People endeavor with all of our frailties and shortcomings to love one another and to lift up other people. So if that's Beck's definition of social justice, he and I are definitely not on the same team."

[Jarid in Cedar]

Glenn Beck is such an idiot.

Interesting article from the DesNews:

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700016115/Mormons-other-Christians-decry-Glenn-Beck-comments-on-social-justice.html?pg=1

Looks like the church is doing its best to distance themselves from Beck. I especially enjoyed this quote:

Hee hee. I can see Lingo throwing things at his computer screen right now. Nothing set him off kilter more than someone speaking ill of brother Beck.

[wuapinmon]

Hee hee. I can see Lingo throwing things at his computer screen right now. Nothing set him off kilter more than someone speaking ill of brother Beck.

I almost miss that guy.

[Sleeping in EQ]

Phil Barlow is weighing in too:

Philip Barlow, the Arrington professor of Mormon history and culture at Utah State University, said, “One way to read the Book of Mormon is that it’s a vast tract on social justice.”

“A lot of Latter-day Saints would think that Beck was asking them to leave their own church,” he said.

Mr. Barlow said that just this year, the church’s highest authority, the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, issued a new “Handbook of Instructions” in which they revised the church’s “threefold mission” and added a fourth mission statement: Care for the poor.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/12/us/12justice.html

[RobinFinderson]

I think that is stretching it a little since women's rights (Work and education) which is what Faust was talking about is very different then social entitlement programs which I am pretty sure Beck was talking about.

But again I think you should send it to him. I bet he will get a chuckle out of it..

I disagree here. When churches talk about 'social justice,' they are talking about it in the abstract, and not referring to any specific policy. A soup kitchen is as much a way to deal with 'social justice' as is welfare.

The idea of 'social justice' is simple: The earth, and all of its life sustaining bounty, collectively belongs to the living. Human inventions, like the concepts of private property, socialism, capitalism, whatever, don't derive legitimacy from their innate rightness/God, but rather from their effectiveness to bring about wider social benefits.

For example, capitalism is good, because when it works it encourages productivity and resourcefulness, and attaching the distribution of the earth's resources based on work and creativity seems fair and just. Capitalism, however, doesn't always work. Imagine, for example, what would happen if some person were to discover a way to efficiently derive an endless supply of high-grade clean energy from sea water. If that person were able to fully protect his intellectual property, he could easily, in short order, come to own everything in the world that is privately ownable. The entire planet could become one man's 'company town.' Pure capitalism has no safeguards to prevent this situation.

The best argument for capitalism is that, as a system of sharing the earth's bounty, it has worked pretty well to encourage innovation and prevent war. In other words, capitalism derives its legitimacy from its usefulness. But where capitalism fails, it is reasonable for people to develop other tools that are more useful.

As with capitalism, the measure of any tool's legitimacy is equal to the measure of its utility. For example, consider public education. There just isn't enough profit to be made from educating poor people, yet access to high quality education is necessary to deliver on the promise of the American Dream. In other words, access to education reflects American values, but for the poorest people, capitalism alone fails to deliver this need. So what do we do? We socialized a huge part of education, and we required school attendance for minors. This is a huge imposition on our liberty, and it basically represents our collectively giving up on capitalism's ability to deliver in a broad area of human need, yet we widely accept this bit of socialism because it works (well, it used to work).

A focus on 'social justice' is not necessarily a support of government based entitlement programs. This especially holds true when the term is used by a church.

[wuapinmon]

I disagree here. When churches talk about 'social justice,' they are talking about it in the abstract, and not referring to any specific policy. A soup kitchen is as much a way to deal with 'social justice' as is welfare.

The idea of 'social justice' is simple: The earth, and all of its life sustaining bounty, collectively belongs to the living. Human inventions, like the concepts of private property, socialism, capitalism, whatever, don't derive legitimacy from their innate rightness/God, but rather from their effectiveness to bring about wider social benefits.

For example, capitalism is good, because when it works it encourages productivity and resourcefulness, and attaching the distribution of the earth's resources based on work and creativity seems fair and just. Capitalism, however, doesn't always work. Imagine, for example, what would happen if some person were to discover a way to efficiently derive an endless supply of high-grade clean energy from sea water. If that person were able to fully protect his intellectual property, he could easily, in short order, come to own everything in the world that is privately ownable. The entire planet could become one man's 'company town.' Pure capitalism has no safeguards to prevent this situation.

The best argument for capitalism is that, as a system of sharing the earth's bounty, it has worked pretty well to encourage innovation and prevent war. In other words, capitalism derives its legitimacy from its usefulness. But where capitalism fails, it is reasonable for people to develop other tools that are more useful.

As with capitalism, the measure of any tool's legitimacy is equal to the measure of its utility. For example, consider public education. There just isn't enough profit to be made from educating poor people, yet access to high quality education is necessary to deliver on the promise of the American Dream. In other words, access to education reflects American values, but for the poorest people, capitalism alone fails to deliver this need. So what do we do? We socialized a huge part of education, and we required school attendance for minors. This is a huge imposition on our liberty, and it basically represents our collectively giving up on capitalism's ability to deliver in a broad area of human need, yet we widely accept this bit of socialism because it works (well, it used to work).

A focus on 'social justice' is not necessarily a support of government based entitlement programs. This especially holds true when the term is used by a church.

What do you think about this approach?

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/tim-king-students-urban-prep-charter-academy-persons/story?id=10088324

[RobinFinderson]

What do you think about this approach?

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/tim-king-st...ry?id=10088324

I am a supporter of charter schools, and Little Robin will graduate, at the end of this year, from an inner-city elementary charter school.

He few notes about the charter movement:

1. Some charters really work. Many are total crap.

2. The Big Idea of the charter system is that it introduces some market forces into our education system in the hopes of encouraging innovation.

3. Innovation in public education is necessary, because the old system is failing. We are quickly becoming an undereducated nation.

4. If public education were not failing at such a catastrophic speed, I wouldn't support the charter movement. There really are a lot of terrible charter schools.

5. While the charter movement attempts to address the systemic inflexibility of the wider public education system through the introduction of innovation encouraging market forces, it should not be confused for 'capitalism.' Charter schools still need massive amounts of public dollars to teach poor people.

6. The success of some charter schools is the result of self-selected group of participants. For example, many charter schools make serious demands on the parents time. If parents are unable to meet the school's expectations of parental involvement in the child's education, the child can be given the boot. It becomes a kind of de facto social filtering where the least privileged kids go to public schools, and the children of parents with any understanding end up going to private schools or certain charters and magnets. In other words, the success of some schools is the result of sluffing off the most difficult students onto the public system.

7. As a corollary to 6, often the best charter schools are still unable to provide direction for the goal of a universally educated populace.

[venkman]

Glenn Beck is such an idiot.


Looks like the church is doing its best to distance themselves from Beck. I especially enjoyed this quote:

The Times also interviewed Kent P. Jackson, associate dean of religion at BYU. "My own experience as a believing Latter-day Saint over the course of 60 years is that I have seen social justice in practice in every LDS congregation I've been in," Jackson said. "People endeavor with all of our frailties and shortcomings to love one another and to lift up other people. So if that's Beck's definition of social justice, he and I are definitely not on the same team."

Sorry, but that quote is just silly. Of course, that's not Beck's "definition" of social justice, and Prof. Jackson knows it.