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Indeed you are confused. You raised speeding as an example of the utter inconsistency of people like me in dealing with the rule of law. Do you need a link?Originally posted by TripletDaddy View PostPLesa excuse the tpyos.Comment
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DDD, you're one of my favorite people, and not just on a message board. I don't remember ever really disagreeing with you. I do now. If you're trolling, well done. You got me. If you're being sincere, I'm more than a little disappointed. Let me state that I have not studied this story. I do not know the details you seem to have. I do have a few thoughts.
1- You've always always always been a defender of children and their safety, both physical and emotional. I'm very surprised that you would advocate the dropping of charges of someone who would do something so outrageous to a child.
2- You continue to mention that the victim has forgiven so we should move on. Again, this disappoints me. And again, I've not dived into the details of the case, but as someone who has been sexually abused, forgiveness can be a coping mechanism. It is not healthy to allow someone to hold that kind of power over you. Especially if you want to have normal, meaningful emotional and physical relationships with a significant other later on in life. Forgiveness says more about the victim and where she is in her personal life than it does about what justice should be handed out to her attacker by a free and civilized society.
She was not old enough to fully understand the situation. To say Mr. Polanski should not be held accountable because someone he very well could have broken, and who has tried to move on, says she has forgiven is not a valid defense for freedom in my opinion. Possibly for leniency in the form of sentence.
3- Is there a statute of limitation on this? Or did that become obsolete when Mr. Polanski agreed to a guilty plea? Just curious. If no limitation, I have full expectations for him to serve his time, even if it is only 1 day. The message to society has to be if you harm a child it does not matter how famous, how rich, how talented, how far you run, eventually you will endure a punishment handed out by the system the rest of us are living under.
4- I'm obviously not a lawyer. I don't know what is normal, but from watching and reading the news for the last 36 years, criminals don't get to pick their punishment. While living a posh life in Europe and avoiding the US might be miserable for some, I think most here would take that over serving hard time as a child abuser/rapist in prison. I understand why he ran. Heck, I probably would do the same thing. But I would expect to have the book thrown at me if and when I got caught again.
I love you DDD, but this is something I just can't understand where you're coming from.Last edited by CJF; 10-01-2009, 02:27 AM.A man who views the world the same at fifty as he did at twenty has wasted thirty years of his life. - Mohammad AliComment
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I think this one can only be added to a general list of Polanski movies, NOT a list of much-admired Polanski movies. LOL.Originally posted by SeattleUte View PostKids in general these days seem more socially retarded...
None of them date. They hang out. They text. They sit in the same car or room and don't say a word...they text. Then, they go home and whack off to internet porn.
I think that's the sad truth about why these kids are retards.
--Portland UteComment
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And PiratesOriginally posted by SeattleUte View PostPart of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”Comment
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Polanski raped a little girl in the ass.
Sorry, all the talk about how great his movies are made me think you might have forgotten.Comment
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I'm interested in this attitude. In your opinion, does any reference to a movie that in some way involved the participation of Mr. Polanski now need to include a reminder that he was involved in this crime? Is there a statute of limitations on that or should it continue ad infinitum?Originally posted by KillerDog View PostLast edited by Green Lantern; 10-01-2009, 01:27 PM.Kids in general these days seem more socially retarded...
None of them date. They hang out. They text. They sit in the same car or room and don't say a word...they text. Then, they go home and whack off to internet porn.
I think that's the sad truth about why these kids are retards.
--Portland UteComment
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I share your opinion CJF. I consider DDD one of the most reasonable people in the world as well as one of my favorites. I just don't understand how he has the opinion he has on this matter.Originally posted by CJF View PostComment
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I just thought I would remind everyone. Seems to me that the thread was turning into a Polanski love fest and I didn't want any of you to get your hopes up that he would reciprocate since he is clearly only interested in young girls that he can ply with drugs.Originally posted by Green Lantern View Post
Oh yeah, and until he pays for his crime, I will do my best to rain on the parade of those who like his movies.Comment
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I see that the subtlety of some of these issues is lost on K-Dog.Originally posted by KillerDog View Post"More crazy people to Provo go than to any other town in the state."
-- Iron County Record. 23 August, 1912. (http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lc...23/ed-1/seq-4/)Comment
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I think we only have to worry about it turning into a love fest if someone starts singing the praises of THE NINTH GATE and PIRATES. As it stands, I think clearer heads are prevailing.Originally posted by KillerDog View PostKids in general these days seem more socially retarded...
None of them date. They hang out. They text. They sit in the same car or room and don't say a word...they text. Then, they go home and whack off to internet porn.
I think that's the sad truth about why these kids are retards.
--Portland UteComment
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Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.
Dig your own grave, and save!
"The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American
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GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!Comment
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Either that or the subtleties are not lost on me and I have a different view on these things than you do.Originally posted by Solon View Post
The question you need to ask yourself is, if the art has value independent of the artist, why does it make Polanski fans uncomfortable to be reminded that the artist raped a 14 year old girl, fled from justice, and then won an academy award?Comment
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Is that a bad thing. Does that mean he isn't very intelligent.Originally posted by Solon View PostComment
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I think the point of his defenders is that his art in fact demonstrates his interests are broader and more wholesome than just this. Whatever time he should serve your simpleminded statemens are useless.Originally posted by KillerDog View Post
I recall you (in defense of a Mormon Seminary teacher who raped a student) calling statory rape just a social construct. What do you believe?Originally posted by KillerDog View Post
Is your issue with Polanski the girl's age or that she had ingested drugs and alcohol? If it's the girl's age I'd like you to explain your adoration or at least contextualization of Joseph Smith, who had intercourse with adolescent girls.
The law says it would have been rape regardless of the drugs and alcohol. In fact, had she been an adult, his having given her drugs and alcohol would not have without more made their sexual relations rape.When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.
--Jonathan SwiftComment
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