Roman Polanski Arrested

[creekster]

No worries. And I'm talking about prevention in others. I.e., evidence of what certain behaviors/action/decisions can lead to.

This has been an interesting and informative discussion.

back in the day when I was actually up on such things, (menaign I am not sure if this si still true) the best studies suggested it was cetainty of punsihment nmot severity, that provided the greatest deterrent effect. Moreover, if we are worried abotu others, then I dont really care to understand why he did what he did.

[Tim]

Good idea...rent the movie, proceeds go to the dude who raped a 13 year old.

That's not how it works. Directors are paid a fixed sum of money for their services. Producers and Executive Producers are the people who secure financing. Polanski was not the producer of Chinatown. He makes no royalties from sales or rentals of the film.

In general, the only time a director is given a share of the profits is when the film is extremely high-profile before production or when, obviously, the director is also on board as a producer, or the originator of the film project.

[Tim]

Right, I acknowledged that in the first paragraph, but his statement implied foriveness and, in my mind, if it means anyting beyond understanding or allowing film reantls with a clear conscience then it goes too far.

I'm not speaking of forgiveness, because Roman Polanski hasn't done anything to me, and I'm therefore in no position to have to or need to forgive him. I only speak of understanding that trauma victims tend to do some wild things, and that while we don't excuse their mistakes, and they have to pay for them, they are often understandable in the context of someone who has been through a trauma.

[creekster]

I'm not speaking of forgiveness, because Roman Polanski hasn't done anything to me, and I'm therefore in no position to have to or need to forgive him. I only speak of understanding that trauma victims tend to do some wild things, and that while we don't excuse their mistakes, and they have to pay for them, they are often understandable in the context of someone who has been through a trauma.

Fair enough, although I would quibble that he has not done anythign to you. He was prsoecuted in the name of the people, after all. It is on our behalf. But I see your point.

[Tim]

I have a hard time accepting this Tim. I don't believe that Polanski raped a 13 year old because the Manson family murdered Sharon Tate, or for any other reason. Perhaps in his mind, it was understandable, but in my mind, he's just another person who doesn't want to be held accountable for his actions.

I just don't see things as so black and white. I'm not talking about causality, right, or wrong, nor commenting on my feelings toward Polanski, the Tate-LaBianca murders, or this pending legal issue. I'm just saying that those who go through serious traumas never see things the same again, and it's incumbent upon others to recognize that those people will never see things the same again.

I don't like the fact that my brother is 23 and on his second marriage, loves smoking and gets defensive when we talk to him about it, lacks ambition, got fired from his job at Wal*Mart, and became a know-it-all turd who practically insists that he knows more about everything than anyone else in the world, but the fact is that he saw my mom die in front of his eyes, he saw her there with a broken neck and her face torn off, and while his actions aren't excusable, it MAKES SENSE that his perspective on life is now drastically different than mine, and that his actions aren't inspired by the same concepts that inspire my actions.

I don't like the fact that my sisters went out and started doing drugs, partying, fighting (that one still blows my mind -- imagine 15-year old suburban girls just going out and starting to get into vicious fist-fights with people), and getting pregnant, but I recognize that they lost their mother when they were 4 years old and their adoptive mother (my mom) when they were 11, and it MAKES SENSE that they would be messed up in the head and do crazy things as a result.

Even I did some crazy things after her death, and I wasn't even in the car with them when it happened. I was already 21 years old, done with a mission, and geographically isolated, so I was able to repress the pain for several years before later dealing with it. All I'm saying is that trauma victims do some wild things, things you'd never predict or expect, and that while you shouldn't excuse their actions, you should recognize that they will never see things the same again, they will never be inspired by the same value system, and their perspective will change drastically as a result.

[il Padrino Ute]

I have a cousin who was in the car with his dad when they were hit by a drunk driver and his dad was killed. Like your siblings, he had a rough time for a while dealing with it and did some things that he may not have done had his dad not died. But it came to the point in his life that he finally decided that he wouldn't allow the accident as a reason to continue the path he was on and made a change on his own as to how he would conduct himself.

I feel badly for you and your sibling because of what happened, but none of you drugged and raped a 13 year old.

[Tim]

I have a cousin who was in the car with his dad when they were hit by a drunk driver and his dad was killed. Like your siblings, he had a rough time for a while dealing with it and did some things that he may not have done had his dad not died. But it came to the point in his life that he finally decided that he wouldn't allow the accident as a reason to continue the path he was on and made a change on his own as to how he would conduct himself.

I feel badly for you and your sibling because of what happened, but none of you drugged and raped a 13 year old.

I had that same point in time where I had to decide that I was going to act independently of what had happened. It took me 3 years... but I wasn't in the car. It's been 9 years and my siblings still haven't reached that point. They haven't drugged and raped anyone, but they've broken a lot of laws and defied every value that our family stood for.

[SuperGabers]

I'm pretty sure he's referring to Federal Common Law.

Heh, heh, heh.

[il Padrino Ute]

I had that same point in time where I had to decide that I was going to act independently of what had happened. It took me 3 years... but I wasn't in the car. It's been 9 years and my siblings still haven't reached that point. They haven't drugged and raped anyone, but they've broken a lot of laws and defied every value that our family stood for.

They were also kids when the tragic event took place. I know nothing of Polanski's childhood, but if there was a traumatic event that altered his life, then I could be less unsympathetic toward him.

[Tim]

They were also kids when the tragic event took place. I know nothing of Polanski's childhood, but if there was a traumatic event that altered his life, then I could be less unsympathetic toward him.

His mother died in Auschwitz when he was 6 years old, and he was in Krakow when it was controlled by the Nazis. And then his wife and baby-in-womb were killed by Manson's people. The man has known nothing but death and trauma.

[UtahDan]

And, do not call these men and women lawyers, they are all attorneys. Only SU chases ambulances, but that's only because they speed through his neighborhood and he has kids playing, dammit.

Funny enough, I used to always insist on attorney when I was first out of law school. Lately, I have have decided it is pretentious and just say lawyer instead. I'm not sure how or why that happened. But titles don't impress anyone.

[UtahDan]

Heh, heh, heh.

Oops. This was me.

[falafel]

Funny enough, I used to always insist on attorney when I was first out of law school. Lately, I have have decided it is pretentious and just say lawyer instead. I'm not sure how or why that happened. But titles don't impress anyone.

Oops. This was me.

That was weird, I thought I was hallucinating. I was just thinking "I didn't know SuperGabers was a lawyer too."

[Solon]

My goal is to eventually turn this thread into an appreciation of Nazi propagandist filmmaker Leni Riefenstahl.

I have three original Riefenstahl photogravures hanging in my bedroom. They're of the Erechtheion on the Athenian Acropolis. She took the photos while filming Olympia.

[creekster]

I have three original Riefenstahl photogravures hanging in my bedroom. They're of the Erechtheion on the Athenian Acropolis. She took the photos while filming Olympia.

photogravures and not photographs? were they orignally publihsed elsewhere and separated alter or were they published as stand alone photogravures?