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Easy, girl. A counter troll is sometimes an effective weapon."Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon
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Give me one reason why a teenage girl needs her male teacher's cell phone number and vice versa. That goes for Sunday School, seminary (see Michael Pratt), school, etc. As a father of a 15 yo girl, that just seems really creepy. Teenage girls don't need adult male confidants.Originally posted by Solon View PostWe already know he's her Sunday School teacher. I see no problem with a Sunday School teacher having his kids' phone numbers, and them having the teacher's.
I like Robin's point-of-view (posted elsewhere in this thread).Last edited by jay santos; 08-19-2009, 05:59 AM.
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You're so right Jay... so right....Originally posted by jay santos View PostGive me one reason why a teenage girl needs here male teacher's cell phone number and vice versa. That goes for Sunday School, seminary (see Michael Pratt), school, etc. As a father of a 15 yo girl, that just seems really creepy. Teenage girls don't need adult male confidants.
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1. Some people only have cell phones - no land lines. When I taught Sunday School to 16 year-olds, my students had my phone number and an understanding that if they were out drinking or in a tight spot, they could always call me to get picked up - no questions asked or judgments passed (BTW, this never happened).Originally posted by jay santos View PostGive me one reason why a teenage girl needs her male teacher's cell phone number and vice versa. That goes for Sunday School, seminary (see Michael Pratt), school, etc. As a father of a 15 yo girl, that just seems really creepy. Teenage girls don't need adult male confidants.
Look, we all agree that this is the kind of situation where a male teacher needs to tread extremely carefully and avoid any implication whatsoever of impropriety. But we also might agree that some kids are desperately looking for an adult to trust. When done correctly (as Robin suggested), mentoring can be a valuable experience."More crazy people to Provo go than to any other town in the state."
-- Iron County Record. 23 August, 1912. (http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lc...23/ed-1/seq-4/)
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Totally and completely violently disagree that you should give your cell phone # to a teenage girl and tell her if she's drunk at night you'll pick her up. Seriously what the hell are you thinking?Originally posted by Solon View Post1. Some people only have cell phones - no land lines. When I taught Sunday School to 16 year-olds, my students had my phone number and an understanding that if they were out drinking or in a tight spot, they could always call me to get picked up - no questions asked or judgments passed (BTW, this never happened).
Look, we all agree that this is the kind of situation where a male teacher needs to tread extremely carefully and avoid any implication whatsoever of impropriety. But we also might agree that some kids are desperately looking for an adult to trust. When done correctly (as Robin suggested), mentoring can be a valuable experience.
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"hey girls...if you're ever drunk and emotionally vulnerable..."Originally posted by jay santos View PostTotally and completely violently disagree that you should give your cell phone # to a teenage girl and tell her if she's drunk at night you'll pick her up. Seriously what the hell are you thinking?
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I just got back from running (and thinking) and intended to write just what Solon did above. We don't know the situation... these things are complex. Sometimes desperate children only have the guts to reach out for help once. Passing the baton to an empathetic, wise, and nonjudgmental woman may be the best option. If the girl is in danger it is probably a good idea to seek professional advice. These things can get dicey. To protect yourself from false accusation, do NOT spend anytime alone with the girl.Originally posted by Solon View Post1. Some people only have cell phones - no land lines. When I taught Sunday School to 16 year-olds, my students had my phone number and an understanding that if they were out drinking or in a tight spot, they could always call me to get picked up - no questions asked or judgments passed (BTW, this never happened).
Look, we all agree that this is the kind of situation where a male teacher needs to tread extremely carefully and avoid any implication whatsoever of impropriety. But we also might agree that some kids are desperately looking for an adult to trust. When done correctly (as Robin suggested), mentoring can be a valuable experience.
If this is a troll... it isn't a funny one.
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I don't feel violent about it as Jay does, but the risk and liability you expose yourself to in these situations is far too great despite the best intentions.Originally posted by Babs View Post"hey girls...if you're ever drunk and emotionally vulnerable...""Nobody listens to Turtle."-Turtlesigpic
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It's just the appearance if nothing else. You don't want to put yourself at risk of false accusation.Originally posted by Surfah View PostI don't feel violent about it as Jay does, but the risk and liability you expose yourself to in these situations is far too great despite the best intentions.
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The answer to this is simple. Bring your wife along for the pickup. Then the youth will know that she has two other adults that she can trust.Originally posted by jay santos View PostTotally and completely violently disagree that you should give your cell phone # to a teenage girl and tell her if she's drunk at night you'll pick her up. Seriously what the hell are you thinking?
Faith, Little Robin and I all have separate cell phones, and no land line.
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