Whistleblower - Ensign Peak Advisors

[Jeff Lebowski]

You’re not going to like this response.

I sincerely believe that when church leaders urge members to pay tithing, budgets and financing operations are a secondary concern to the main point. Tithing is an emblem of devotion. The church would keep asking for it even if it had all the money in the world.

Bingo.

[Green Monstah]

The point I was making is that it doesn't exist solely to raise money to alleviate human suffering. It has real costs and real responsibilities to its members and the communities in which it operates, which cost real money. Channeling og here a bit, but you are making some silly comparisons here.

????? Every charity has operating costs and overhead, and I’ve made no comparisons.

[Bo Diddley]

100B is the tip of the iceberg. That stone is rolling and will fill the whole Earth!

[All-American]

I get the devotion thing and I have no qualms with the church asking for money as a sign of faith, no matter how rich it is. Most members don't mind donating their money to the church. But I would love for the church to separate the donation amount from exaltation.

Pretty sure that’s what the rich young man said to Jesus.


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[Sullyute]

I'm not sure if that makes the 100 bill rainy day fund more or less defensible. I'm happy for many of the charitable things the church does, including deeply subsidizing higher education. But I think it can receive even greater dividends (and not the cash type) by making greater annual investments in alleviating human suffering.

TBMs see the 100 billion as a sign the church is true and practicing what it preaches. Those on the outside see it as a sign that the church is just another corporation that cares more about self survival than its stockholders/members. While those in the middle keep thinking WWJD.

[All-American]

TBMs see the 100 billion as a sign the church is true and practicing what it preaches. Those on the outside see it as a sign that the church is just another corporation that cares more about self survival than its stockholders/members. While those in the middle keep thinking WWJD.

I wonder what it must feel like to think only one or two of those things could be true.

[Non Sequitur]

You’re not going to like this response.

I sincerely believe that when church leaders urge members to pay tithing, budgets and financing operations are a secondary concern to the main point. Tithing is an emblem of devotion. The church would keep asking for it even if it had all the money in the world.

I don't mind the Church asking for it, but I do have a problem with the Church's prioritization of it. There are a dozen or so questions the Church asks to determine a member's worth, and one of those is about the amount of money they give to the Church. I don't get that. When my son turned 8, I was semi-active but still wanted to baptize him. My bishop told me I couldn't baptize him unless I was a full tithe payer. I asked him whether that was in the handbook, and I told him I would put my character up against anyone in the ward, including himself. I was pissed, so like a dick, I also told him that it felt like a shake-down. Eventually the situation settled, and he ultimately let me baptize my son, but that's when I went from semi-active to non-active. It's a hot issue for me.

[All-American]

that's when I went from semi-active to non-active. It's a hot issue for me.

I take back what I said earlier. THIS is more like what the rich young man said.

[Moliere]

I take back what I said earlier. THIS is more like what the rich young man said.

More like but not exactly like since Christ didn’t tell the young man to give his wealth to the church.


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[Northwestcoug]

Pretty sure that’s what the rich young man said to Jesus.


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only one of those 2 adjectives applies to me now

[Jeff Lebowski]

More like but not exactly like since Christ didn’t tell the young man to give his wealth to the church.

Well if we want to nitpick the comparison, Jesus also told the rich man to give 100%, not 10%.

[Northwestcoug]

Well if we want to nitpick the comparison, Jesus also told the rich man to give 100%, not 10%.

So help me if we end up at the judgment bar and we find out some translator was careless with a decimal point...

[All-American]

So help me if we end up at the judgment bar and we find out some translator was careless with a decimal point...

That’s exactly why I don’t rely on translators.

[Sullyute]

I wonder what it must feel like to think only one or two of those things could be true.

Ok, my pigeonholing was rigid. So I will just say that personally I am embarrassed that my church doesn’t do more with their money to help the poor, but I am sure Jesus feels the same way about me.

[Paperback Writer]

Well if we want to nitpick the comparison, Jesus also told the rich man to give 100%, not 10%.

An alternative nitpick or view came from a baptist preacher. He claimed that the request by Jesus that the rich young man sell all his possessions and give to the poor was preposterous to begin with. A person can no more gain salvation through selling all his possessions and giving to the poor than he could by obeying all the commandments. Neither are required for salvation since it is a free gift from Jesus - salvation by grace alone. Personally, I'm just glad that the rich young man went away sorrowful before thinking to ask: by selling everything, does that mean net or gross?