October 2019 General Conference

[Copelius]

9 AM doesn't get a pass. Church starts at the same time every week. Get up a little earlier and help get the kids ready. Easy enough.

‘AIS’ (ass-in-seat) time was before the opening hymn started, even at 9am and when a parent was at ward council/PEC. Don’t know why you milquetoast members have a problem with that.

Not an every week pass, but on occasion. Even then, what was it that one of the GAs (Faust, I think) always used to say, "Err on the side of mercy." I am very strict, to the point of causing conflict with my wife about being on time, but I don't think it is that big of a deal for the deacon to go back and get the bread for someone who is making the effort to renew their covenants. Whether their effort is sufficient is not for me to determine but is between them and the Lord.

[swampfrog]

What differences seem to be significant?

They can all be interpreted fairly loosely but, "Do you support or promote any teachings, practices or doctrine contrary..." is different than, "...any group or individual whose teachings...". I'm not sure which one is more strict--"affiliate with" is a pretty broad brush that could easily loop in any with family members with dissenting viewpoints. Now you can hang out on CS without repercussions as long as you avoid supporting and/or promoting!

[beefytee]

9am gets a pass for families with many small kids.

Small kids wake up at the crack of dawn anyways. That was the easiest time to make it to 9AM church on time. Teenagers are the biggest inhibitor. Luckily we live close enough that we can make them walk if they are late and our oldest can drive.

[Eddie]

I'm curious how this budget thing will be described to leaders on a local level.

Our last 3 bishops have all take the approach of "plan what activities you want to do for the year. Put a price tag on them. Add up all the price tags. Submit that as your budget. If we have a problem with the activity or the price tag, we'll let you know."

This sounds more like each organization will simply be given a portion of the budget and told to do whatever they want with it.

Honestly - I like the way our ward has done it. I like there being a plan. Maybe because it drives the organizations to consider what they really want to do. Bishops have always allowed a little extra built in for "activity supplies" for the YW/YM. Maybe I like there being a plan because I don't like it when it feels like more often than not the youth groups are trying to come up with the coming week's activity during their Sunday meeting if they don't have a plan.

But maybe that's just me.

[Northwestcoug]

‘AIS’ (ass-in-seat) time was before the opening hymn started, even at 9am and when a parent was at ward council/PEC. Don’t know why you milquetoast members have a problem with that.

[Sleeping in EQ]

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What differences seem to be significant?

[BigPiney]

9am gets a pass for families with many small kids.

It shouldn't. Stop being lazy and get up on time.

[Moliere]

9 AM doesn't get a pass. Church starts at the same time every week. Get up a little earlier and help get the kids ready. Easy enough.

9am gets a pass for families with many small kids.

[The_Tick]

It's almost somewhat understandable for 9am church,but for noon I'm right there with you. And even for 9am it should be rare but it's the same people every week.

9 AM doesn't get a pass. Church starts at the same time every week. Get up a little earlier and help get the kids ready. Easy enough.

[Copelius]

This drives me nuts too. If partaking of the ordinance is that important to you, then maybe have a little more respect for it by getting there 5 minutes earlier.

It's almost somewhat understandable for 9am church,but for noon I'm right there with you. And even for 9am it should be rare but it's the same people every week.

[Surfah]

No the Sons of Perdition show up in the foyer during the water passing and tell the deacon to go get them some bread too. Happens every week in our ward.

This drives me nuts too. If partaking of the ordinance is that important to you, then maybe have a little more respect for it by getting there 5 minutes earlier.

[CardiacCoug]

They’re just talking about those apostates that take the Sacrament with their left hand. Or Sons of Perdition that walk into the foyer after the bread has been passed and think they can slide on the water alone.


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No the Sons of Perdition show up in the foyer during the water passing and tell the deacon to go get them some bread too. Happens every week in our ward.

[Dwight Schr-ute]

Worthily partake of the Sacrament? That seems backwards. The people who need the Atonement in their life, and the blessings of the Sacrament are the unworthy. The ones that need to partake.

Worthy people don't need to partake - last week's Sacrament partaking is still good for them... and if they stay worthy the coming week - they are good to go again. If worthy people take each week - it becomes rote - and just a thoughtless gesture without meditation.

Someone overshot the runway.

They’re just talking about those apostates that take the Sacrament with their left hand. Or Sons of Perdition that walk into the foyer after the bread has been passed and think they can slide on the water alone.


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[Northwestcoug]

Just trying to give John Delhin and Moliere some fresh podcast material.

Next April will be the bi-millennial + 1 score celebration of the Atonement, so I’m sure it will still get a mention or two.

That’s a cynical side I don’t recall seeing from you. But don’t worry; my mom had similar sentiments when I got home from my mission. I thought then she was dangerously treading into apostate territory. But she’s still solid.

[Donuthole]

FIFY

Thx!