Mormon WikiLeaks (MormonLeaks)

[Jeff Lebowski]

No one is arguing that rape is not a serious sin. I don't see anything in that scripture saying that the offender shouldn't be forgiven, though.

Matthew 18:21-22 King James Version (KJV)
21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?

22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

Ecclesiastes 3

Let's figure out why the system failed so completely and for such a long time first, eh?

[falafel]

Ecclesiastes 3

Let's figure out why the system failed so completely and for such a long time first, eh?

What, society can only handle one thing at a time?

[Jeff Lebowski]

GM, I apologize for teasing you about doubling down.

[falafel]

GM, I apologize for teasing you about doubling down.

What a giveaway!

[myboynoah]

This was a horrible person. It appears he was unfaithful to his wife and his religious commitments on several occaisions, and took advantage of his position of power to prey on the weak. And he obviously led a sad, sad life as a result and the consequences of his selfishness had significantly horrible affects on others, especially the interviewer. That is the saddest part of this tragedy.

I do take issue with her dishonesty to lead him along to get to her real business. I don't think that's okay. And I think she should be willing to put her name on her work. I understand why she might not want to, but I feel she doesn't help her cause by remaining anonomous.

Does anybody really believe that seeking revenge on this predator will bring the interviewer peace of mind? I get it. She's been victimized on at least three occasions by men in her life. I understand the anger and striking out at all "priesthood holders." I just don't believe going down that road, holding onto the anger, seeking and exercising revenge after all these years will bring her peace.

[Green Monstah]

No one is arguing that rape is not a serious sin. I don't see anything in that scripture saying that the offender shouldn't be forgiven, though.

I'm also not seeing where people in this thread are saying he shouldn't be forgiven. I'm also not seeing how this relates to your willingness to cast aspersion's on the victim's motivation and character. Shouldn't she also be forgiven?

[jay santos]

This was a horrible person. It appears he was unfaithful to his wife and his religious commitments on several occaisions, and took advantage of his position of power to prey on the weak. And he obviously led a sad, sad life as a result and the consequences of his selfishness had significantly horrible affects on others, especially the interviewer. That is the saddest part of this tragedy.

I do take issue with her dishonesty to lead him along to get to her real business. I don't think that's okay. And I think she should be willing to put her name on her work. I understand why she might not want to, but I feel she doesn't help her cause by remaining anonomous.

Does anybody really believe that seeking revenge on this predator will bring the interviewer peace of mind? I get it. She's been victimized on at least three occasions by men in her life. I understand the anger and striking out at all "priesthood holders." I just don't believe going down that road, holding onto the anger, seeking and exercising revenge after all these years will bring her peace.

A wealthy business person rapes your daughter, and you want to confront him. You call the man's personal secretary to make an appointment. "What is this regarding?" you think. hmm, I'll say I'm one of his customers or something. No, that would be a lie. "I'd like to confront him about raping my daughter." "No, sorry, he's not available." "OK, I thought I'd ask. Thanks."

[Jeff Lebowski]

This was a horrible person. It appears he was unfaithful to his wife and his religious commitments on several occaisions, and took advantage of his position of power to prey on the weak. And he obviously led a sad, sad life as a result and the consequences of his selfishness had significantly horrible affects on others, especially the interviewer. That is the saddest part of this tragedy.

I do take issue with her dishonesty to lead him along to get to her real business. I don't think that's okay. And I think she should be willing to put her name on her work. I understand why she might not want to, but I feel she doesn't help her cause by remaining anonomous.

Does anybody really believe that seeking revenge on this predator will bring the interviewer peace of mind? I get it. She's been victimized on at least three occasions by men in her life. I understand the anger and striking out at all "priesthood holders." I just don't believe going down that road, holding onto the anger, seeking and exercising revenge after all these years will bring her peace.

I doubt it will bring her peace, but it might bring some kind of closure. Hopefully it changes how these things are handled in the future.

I can't help but wonder if there is more to the story. Why was this guy not exed? In every case I have seen, the church has shown zero tolerance on this type of thing.

[smokymountainrain]

Well, isn't that what an addiction is?



https://www.asam.org/resources/definition-of-addiction

i should have said unwilling.

[myboynoah]

A wealthy business person rapes your daughter, and you want to confront him. You call the man's personal secretary to make an appointment. "What is this regarding?" you think. hmm, I'll say I'm one of his customers or something. No, that would be a lie. "I'd like to confront him about raping my daughter." "No, sorry, he's not available." "OK, I thought I'd ask. Thanks."

If a wealthy businessperson raped my daughter, I would go to the police. I'd also want to kill him/her.

[falafel]

I doubt it will bring her peace, but it might bring some kind of closure. Hopefully it changes how these things are handled in the future.

I can't help but wonder if there is more to the story. Why was this guy not exed? In every case I have seen, the church has shown zero tolerance on this type of thing.

The bit about Elder Asay knowing about the allegation and either (1) doing nothing about it, or (2) privately reprimanding Bishop but letting him continue in his calling is seriously troubling.

[Green Monstah]

I do take issue with her dishonesty to lead him along to get to her real business. I don't think that's okay. And I think she should be willing to put her name on her work. I understand why she might not want to, but I feel she doesn't help her cause by remaining anonomous.

If you draw a circle around MBN, and he promises not to cross the line, he'd rather die than break his word.

Does anybody really believe that seeking revenge on this predator will bring the interviewer peace of mind? I get it. She's been victimized on at least three occasions by men in her life. I understand the anger and striking out at all "priesthood holders." I just don't believe going down that road, holding onto the anger, seeking and exercising revenge after all these years will bring her peace.

I actually think she handled herself fairly well. There were times she got fired up, but there were others where she showed considerable restraint. There are lots of good reasons to leak the audio other than vengeance (but you're just assuming that bitchy skank is out for a pound of flesh, right?) for example: 1. So other victims feel empowered to come forward and begin to heal. 2. So the church can assure that it avoids these missteps in the future. 3. "closure", etc., etc.

The fact that you apparently see this as a malicious act of revenge speaks volumes.

[jay santos]

If a wealthy businessperson raped my daughter, I would go to the police. I'd also want to kill him/her.

Well now you're starting to think like the victim in this case. Sounds like she went to the police and the church and couldn't get justice.

[Green Monstah]

From the "mere speculation" file:

I found it odd that in the same MTC group, he was having personal, discussions with two sex abuse victims who were also in the same group (were they companions)?

I wonder if he reviewed mission applications for mention of past sexual abuse and used that info for grooming purposes.

[Green Monstah]

The bit about Elder Asay knowing about the allegation and either (1) doing nothing about it, or (2) privately reprimanding Bishop but letting him continue in his calling is seriously troubling.

Agreed. Since this was 30 years ago, I tend to believe her account. I wish I could say that things like this don't occur anymore (there is definitely more/better training), but I've been involved in one situation dealing with abuse that was mishandled in the last 10 years.