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  • Moliere
    One man.....one pie
    • Oct 2009
    • 27848

    #31
    Originally posted by ByronMarchant View Post
    You asked which first vision. I answered. I'm just saying--he tried to become a Methodist after Jesus told him not to. That's pretty bad. I would do whatever Jesus told me to do.
    You brought it up first. It's not my fault that you are so pissed that GAs are paid a very normal salary for clergy (many are saying they are vastly underpaid, read the PFS article) that you have to deflect to another argument.
    "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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    • ByronMarchant
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2015
      • 360

      #32
      Originally posted by Moliere View Post
      You brought it up first. It's not my fault that you are so pissed that GAs are paid a very normal salary for clergy (many are saying they are vastly underpaid, read the PFS article) that you have to deflect to another argument.
      I'm not pissed. I feel bad for them.

      They should earn more.

      But at least in their waning years they receive 24-hour in-home nursing care, which is worth many hundreds of thousands of dollars per year. Yes, this is true. Yes, I know this from good sources.

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      • falafel
        loves to talk on things
        • Mar 2009
        • 37933

        #33
        Originally posted by ByronMarchant View Post
        I'm not pissed. I feel bad for them.

        They should earn more.

        But at least in their waning years they receive 24-hour in-home nursing care, which is worth many hundreds of thousands of dollars per year. Yes, this is true. Yes, I know this from good sources.
        Documentary evidence? Or anecdotal evidence from sources you won't name?
        Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

        Dig your own grave, and save!

        "The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American

        "I know that you are one of the cool and 'edgy' BYU fans" -- Wally

        GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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        • LiveCoug
          LA Ute loves me
          • Nov 2008
          • 18486

          #34
          Originally posted by falafel View Post
          Documentary evidence? Or anecdotal evidence from sources you won't name?
          It doesn't matter, because didn't you hear? Joseph Smith was HUMAN!!!!!!!

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          • Jeff Lebowski
            Corporate lackey for Jesus
            • Nov 2008
            • 69617

            #35
            Originally posted by ByronMarchant View Post
            I'm not pissed. I feel bad for them.

            They should earn more.

            But at least in their waning years they receive 24-hour in-home nursing care, which is worth many hundreds of thousands of dollars per year. Yes, this is true. Yes, I know this from good sources.
            Lol.

            You should take a break and fight again another day.
            "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
            "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
            "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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            • ByronMarchant
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2015
              • 360

              #36
              Originally posted by falafel View Post
              Documentary evidence? Or anecdotal evidence from sources you won't name?
              Let me put it this way.

              My evidence is much better than any evidence for the fundamental truth claims of Mormonism.

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              • falafel
                loves to talk on things
                • Mar 2009
                • 37933

                #37
                Originally posted by ByronMarchant View Post
                Let me put it this way.

                My evidence is much better than any evidence for the fundamental truth claims of Mormonism.
                Evasive. I thought you were here to discuss things on all fours?
                Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

                Dig your own grave, and save!

                "The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American

                "I know that you are one of the cool and 'edgy' BYU fans" -- Wally

                GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                • Moliere
                  One man.....one pie
                  • Oct 2009
                  • 27848

                  #38
                  Originally posted by ByronMarchant View Post
                  I'm not pissed. I feel bad for them.
                  Yes you are. You can't handle it that not only is it less than $600k, it's wildly less than that amount. It's okay, you'll forget about it soon enough.
                  "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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                  • Omaha 680
                    Senior Member
                    • Jul 2011
                    • 11175

                    #39
                    Originally posted by ByronMarchant View Post
                    Let me put it this way.

                    My evidence is much better than any evidence for the fundamental truth claims of Mormonism.
                    Whether by actual evidence or by the mouth of Byron Marchant, it is the same.

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                    • ByronMarchant
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2015
                      • 360

                      #40
                      I'm so confused.

                      I'm surrounded by people who believe in a book that says pre-Columbian America contained:

                      1) Horses
                      2) Elephants
                      3) Swords
                      4) Chariots
                      5) Barley
                      6) Honeybees
                      7) Goats
                      8) Swine
                      9) Cows
                      10) Silk
                      11) Windows
                      12) Compasses
                      13) Cimiters

                      And a book that contains innumerable linguistic anachronisms

                      All originating from visions purportedly received by a 14-year-old boy, who later tried to become a Methodist despite the fact that Jesus Christ himself told him at age 14 not to join any other church (ballsy of him).

                      And this man later grew up to become an adult who said that he didn't really want to have multiple wives but an Angel with a Flaming Sword made him do it.

                      And yet YOU are asking ME to show you evidence.

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                      • Katy Lied
                        Senior Member
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 9435

                        #41
                        I kinda like that Joseph Smith tried to become a Methodist. It makes me feel closer to my Methodist buddies. I celebrate the partial truths of Methodism.

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                        • ByronMarchant
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2015
                          • 360

                          #42
                          Originally posted by Katy Lied View Post
                          I kinda like that Joseph Smith tried to become a Methodist. It makes me feel closer to my Methodist buddies. I celebrate the partial truths of Methodism.
                          I also like Methodism.

                          But would you attempt to become a methodist after Jesus Christ himself came down and told you not to? Gutsy!

                          Although he apparently didn't go through with it, so I'll give him that. Maybe he had wondered at times whether it was really Jesus that appeared to him.

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                          • Katy Lied
                            Senior Member
                            • Dec 2008
                            • 9435

                            #43
                            You wave this methodism around as if it is a smoking gun. JS did a lot of things in his youth that he was told not to do. Flirting with methodism seem quite honorable to me, compared to say, digging for treasure. Doesn't bother me one bit. Does it bother anyone else?

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                            • ByronMarchant
                              Senior Member
                              • Nov 2015
                              • 360

                              #44
                              Originally posted by Katy Lied View Post
                              You wave this methodism around as if it is a smoking gun. JS did a lot of things in his youth that he was told not to do. Flirting with methodism seem quite honorable to me, compared to say, digging for treasure. Doesn't bother me one bit. Does it bother anyone else?
                              I'm not bothered.

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                              • LVAllen
                                Senior Member
                                • Oct 2013
                                • 3255

                                #45
                                Originally posted by Katy Lied View Post
                                You wave this methodism around as if it is a smoking gun. JS did a lot of things in his youth that he was told not to do. Flirting with methodism seem quite honorable to me, compared to say, digging for treasure. Doesn't bother me one bit. Does it bother anyone else?
                                Doesn't particularly bother me. You might as well ask why JS was praying to know his standing before God.

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