Polygamy justification?

[Jarid in Cedar]

I don't really know. But I can assure you that at regular intervals for the rest of your life, a succession of various priesthood leaders are going to read Luke 15 and think of you, which will be followed in short order by a visit to your home.

Should be fun.

Been there several times already. It is really comforting to know that they care about my spiritual well being.

Unfortunately, not many of them really want to talk about the things that I have issue with. They usually try to take the angle of wanting to know who offended me in the ward, or in past wards(they are quick to say that it won't happen here). It is hard for many of them to accept that I have prayed, researched, agonized, questioned, etc, but have come to a different conclusion than they have.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Been there several times already. It is really comforting to know that they care about my spiritual well being.

Unfortunately, not many of them really want to talk about the things that I have issue with. They usually try to take the angle of wanting to know who offended me in the ward, or in past wards(they are quick to say that it won't happen here). It is hard for many of them to accept that I have prayed, researched, agonized, questioned, etc, but have come to a different conclusion than they have.

Let's cut to the chase. Which one was it?

[Indy Coug]

Unfortunately, not many of them really want to talk about the things that I have issue with.

Maybe you've mentioned this before, but I only see repeated oblique references to it: what are "the things"?

[il Padrino Ute]

Well, I have met you, IPU, and I know you don't look very orthodox.

Close, but my hair is darker.

[Jarid in Cedar]

Maybe you've mentioned this before, but I only see repeated oblique references to it: what are "the things"?

I mentioned it, but it was likely 7 pages ago. Anyway. The 2 primary issues for me were polygamy and the priesthood ban. Even when I was very active and engaged, these 2 issues really set me back. They are the 500# gorillas for me. It is not the historical facts of these issues that were the problem, but it dealt with the nagging hole in my testimony about the "trueness" of the church. In ways that some people would understand(and others may not), they ate at me in the "Do I believe in a God that would promote these doctrines?" way. When I finally decided that I needed to confront these feelings more openly(talking with family, bishops, etc) I was taken back at the angle that more than a few of these people took. They really didn't want to address what I asked as much as "What is wrong in your personal life that is blocking you from understanding this? Are you having an affair, are you viewing porn, do you abuse your spouse/kids" It was really bizarre and frightening at the same time. After going through this for awhile, I started to do some of my own research on the topics, and in doing so, I found many 25# monkeys and 100# chimps as well. The summation of all of the unanswered questions and conflicting history finally brought the whole house down around me.

[LA Ute]

When I finally decided that I needed to confront these feelings more openly(talking with family, bishops, etc) I was taken back at the angle that more than a few of these people took. They really didn't want to address what I asked as much as "What is wrong in your personal life that is blocking you from understanding this? Are you having an affair, are you viewing porn, do you abuse your spouse/kids" It was really bizarre and frightening at the same time.

[Heavy sigh.] I'm sorry they did that to you, bro. [Mutters to self, "What is wrong with these people?]"

[Jarid in Cedar]

[Heavy sigh.] I'm sorry they did that to you, bro. [Mutters to self, "What is wrong with these people?]"

Most were more subtle than 2 of my bishops(who both had the same line of questioning, despite being separated by state lines and 2 years time), but the implications were usually the same: There is something wrong with you, not with the church.

[I.J. Reilly]

Most were more subtle than 2 of my bishops(who both had the same line of questioning, despite being separated by state lines and 2 years time), but the implications were usually the same: There is something wrong with you, not with the church.

This is too bad. The inability to accept institutional wrongs comes pretty standard with most organizations, but its sad to see this filter down to making people feel as if there might be something wrong in their life if they have questions.

[UtahDan]

They really didn't want to address what I asked as much as "What is wrong in your personal life that is blocking you from understanding this? Are you having an affair, are you viewing porn, do you abuse your spouse/kids"

So which of those things was amiss in your life?

[Jarid in Cedar]

So which of those things was amiss in your life?

I was abusing my polygamous wife.

[ERCougar]

I don't really know. But I can assure you that at regular intervals for the rest of your life, a succession of various priesthood leaders are going to read Luke 15 and think of you, which will be followed in short order by a visit to your home.

Should be fun.

I'm on it.

Oh dang...I'm not a priesthood leader.

[LA Ute]

I'm on it.

Oh dang...I'm not a priesthood leader.

So you're simply going to pass by the wounded man at the side of the road, like some priest or Levite?

[Jeff Lebowski]

So which of those things was amiss in your life?

I already tried that bait. He clearly isn't biting.

[YOhio]

Solon won the "Best Apostate" Cuffie last year, but he isn't really an apostate. Somebody nominated him and he ended up getting the most votes.

Solon won the Best Gentile Cuffie. SU won a separate award for Most Beloved Apostate (not to be confused with the Most Beloved Prostate Cuffie held by PAC).

[YOhio]

"She is such a sweet sister, and he is such a good honest person, I just can't see why he doesn't come to church." .

lol! They said that about you?!?!