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  • Originally posted by Clark Addison View Post
    When I had a son it was actually my doctor who recommended this, so I group the mdical profession right there with religion.
    I was referring to female circumcision although in the case of males it's probably questionable when you consider the issue of consent. I understand the health benefits but shouldn't the individual weigh the decision as to whether to cut? The whole phenomenon is remarkable and I'm glad I'm not a pediatrician and therefore don't have to deal with it.

    There are better ways to prevent infection than cutting. Vaccinate (HPV)--males and females--and other protection for HIV.
    Last edited by SoonerCoug; 04-01-2015, 04:03 PM.
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    • Originally posted by SoonerCoug View Post
      I was referring to female circumcision although in the case of males it's probably questionable when you consider the issue of consent. I understand the health benefits but shouldn't the individual weigh the decision as to whether to cut? The whole phenomenon is remarkable and I'm glad I'm not a pediatrician and therefore don't have to deal with it.

      There are better ways to prevent infection than cutting. Vaccinate (HPV)--males and females--and other protection for HIV.
      For you, me, and everyone else in the developed world, sure. But mass circumcision in the developing world would do more to decrease viral transmission than most other public health initiatives.
      "...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
      "You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
      - SeattleUte

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      • Originally posted by byu71 View Post
        He is basically a troll. He is in a very rich target zone. He is basically very good at it.
        He is losing his touch. Nothing respond worthy in his latest offering. So I respond nonetheless.
        Last edited by Topper; 04-01-2015, 04:58 PM.
        "Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."

        Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.

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        • Originally posted by SoonerCoug View Post
          I was referring to female circumcision although in the case of males it's probably questionable when you consider the issue of consent. I understand the health benefits but shouldn't the individual weigh the decision as to whether to cut? The whole phenomenon is remarkable and I'm glad I'm not a pediatrician and therefore don't have to deal with it.

          There are better ways to prevent infection than cutting. Vaccinate (HPV)--males and females--and other protection for HIV.
          BS you were.

          Lack of consent to treat an infant that can't give consent somehow mitigates the medical benefits? Did you attend a mail order medical school?
          "Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."

          Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.

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          • Originally posted by YOhio View Post
            This doesn't have to do with conference, but it is Easter themed. Made me laugh.

            http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/mk...r-vs--passover
            Why don't you take this stuff to the "Things that make YOhio laugh" thread? TIA!
            Get confident, stupid
            -landpoke

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            • Originally posted by SoonerCoug View Post
              I was referring to female circumcision although in the case of males it's probably questionable when you consider the issue of consent. I understand the health benefits but shouldn't the individual weigh the decision as to whether to cut? The whole phenomenon is remarkable and I'm glad I'm not a pediatrician and therefore don't have to deal with it.

              There are better ways to prevent infection than cutting. Vaccinate (HPV)--males and females--and other protection for HIV.
              I think that's a discussion worth having, at least. Yes, circumcision reduces the risk of cancer, but isn't the likelihood of developing it already very low - 1 in 100,000 or so in the U.S.? This compares to around 15,000 per 100,000 men for prostate cancer, e.g. (I think). I don't know how much the benefit of circumcision is reduced by waiting until early adulthood, so maybe that's a factor. I haven't formed an opinion either way yet, but I do think there are some valid points on both sides of the argument.

              Gotta love LDS conference threads!
              "What are you prepared to do?" - Jimmy Malone

              "What choice?" - Abe Petrovsky

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              • http://youtu.be/bWks7wPumWk
                I told him he was a goddamn Nazi Stormtrooper.

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                • In prep for GenCon this weekend, I hit up CCC food court for lunch, hoping to stalk some GAs, snap some selfies, get autographs, ask for revelation spoilers, etc.

                  I didnt see anyone.
                  Fitter. Happier. More Productive.

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                  • Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
                    In prep for GenCon this weekend, I hit up CCC food court for lunch, hoping to stalk some GAs, snap some selfies, get autographs, ask for revelation spoilers, etc.

                    I didnt see anyone.
                    I went to dinner with a church employee and he didn't give me any conference gossip. He did give me some gossip on upcoming changes to the seminary program, but they weren't really that interesting.
                    "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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                    • I played golf Monday with a member of the First Quorum of Seventy () and asked if there would be any earthshaking announcements. He said there probably would be, but the last time he said that was 1997 (he was a mere civilian then) when he had been tipped off by an insider that a major announcement would be made at conference. The announcement turned out to be that Area Authorities would henceforth be called Area Authority Seventies. So buckle your seatbelts, it's going to be a bumpy night this could be huge!

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                      • Originally posted by Joe Public View Post
                        I think that's a discussion worth having, at least. Yes, circumcision reduces the risk of cancer, but isn't the likelihood of developing it already very low - 1 in 100,000 or so in the U.S.? This compares to around 15,000 per 100,000 men for prostate cancer, e.g. (I think). I don't know how much the benefit of circumcision is reduced by waiting until early adulthood, so maybe that's a factor. I haven't formed an opinion either way yet, but I do think there are some valid points on both sides of the argument.

                        Gotta love LDS conference threads!
                        Penis cancer is bad though. Almost no one wants to have their penis amputated. By contrast, all newborn babies want the foreskin removed.
                        That which may be asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence. -C. Hitchens

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                        • I'm with Sooner on this. There's no medical justification for circumcision in the developed world. It's a surgery, not without complications, and with minimal benefit. Third world, I have no idea.
                          At least the Big Ten went after a big-time addition in Nebraska; the Pac-10 wanted a game so badly, it added Utah
                          -Berry Trammel, 12/3/10

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                          • Originally posted by ERCougar View Post
                            I'm with Sooner on this. There's no medical justification for circumcision in the developed world. It's a surgery, not without complications, and with minimal benefit. Third world, I have no idea.
                            If it reduces penis cancer, you don't find that a benefit?
                            "Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."

                            Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.

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                            • Originally posted by Topper View Post
                              If it reduces penis cancer, you don't find that a benefit?
                              I've never seen a patient with cancer of the penis. I've never heard of a patient with cancer of the penis. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist, but it does mean it's exceedingly rare.
                              I've treated at least a dozen babies with complications from circumcision.
                              At least the Big Ten went after a big-time addition in Nebraska; the Pac-10 wanted a game so badly, it added Utah
                              -Berry Trammel, 12/3/10

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                              • Both of my grandfathers were circumcised as adults. Both of them told me there was no change in sexual pleasure. Yes, I asked.
                                "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
                                The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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