Elderbednarophobia

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

Come on, you enthusiastically belittle that which people revere and then wonder why those people are defensive? If someone tells me my wife is ugly and my kids are stupid, I'm going to push back a little, and it won't matter whether my wife is really ugly or my kids are really stupid. We love what we love for a variety of reasons, and sometimes those reasons aren't important.

Well put NS.

[Topper]

Come on, you enthusiastically belittle that which people revere and then wonder why those people are defensive? If someone tells me my wife is ugly and my kids are stupid, I'm going to push back a little, and it won't matter whether my wife is really ugly or my kids are really stupid. We love what we love for a variety of reasons, and sometimes those reasons aren't important.

Plus, I love Sooner's victimization complex. "Oh, whoa is me who merely the harbinger of truth, love and the American way! I suffer that all men might grow wise, you stupid SOBs who should wallow in reverence of clearly superior intellect. I have MD and Phd don't you all f..ing know."

Geeze, Sooner, you sure wrote the encyclopedia on how to lose friends and make died in the wool enemies. Maybe Obama can send you over to calm sentiments in the Gaza strip so that you can start a nuclear holocaust.

[SoonerCoug]

Plus, I love Sooner's victimization complex. "Oh, whoa is me who merely the harbinger of truth, love and the American way! I suffer that all men might grow wise, you stupid SOBs who should wallow in reverence of clearly superior intellect. I have MD and Phd don't you all f..ing know."

Geeze, Sooner, you sure wrote the encyclopedia on how to lose friends and make died in the wool enemies. Maybe Obama can send you over to calm sentiments in the Gaza strip so that you can start a nuclear holocaust.

What did I do to make you my enemy? My wife and I went to dinner with you and Babs. I don't recall attacking you like this--ever.

Is it really that personal for me to say that I don't think religion is based on evidence or worth believing based on a feeling that it is true despite a complete absence of real supporting evidence?

I don't think belief in untrue things is related to IQ at all. There are tons of highly intelligent people who believe. It's more an issue of the ability to think independently and critically--rejecting the idea that you should necessarily believe things based on tradition, feelings, or based on what people around you "feel" to be true or hope to be true.

I never tossed my degrees around in arguments.

I make arguments based on evidence. I cited a quote, which was accurate, and people started ripping on me again. I think Bednar's quote is scary but acknowledge that he maybe didn't mean what he said.

[Topper]

You dont make an enem of me because I don't take you seriously here. However whining when you directly insult people of faith that you aren't taken seriously and the claiming to be treated unfairly is amusing but insulting to everybody collective intelligence.

[Topper]

Sorry for typos. I am riding my bike while typing on the phone.

[SoonerCoug]

You dont make an enem of me because I don't take you seriously here. However whining when you directly insult people of faith that you aren't taken seriously and the claiming to be treated unfairly is amusing but insulting to everybody collective intelligence.

I forgive you for the mean things you said. I hope your faith will be reflected in how you treat me in the future.

The things you said are personal attacks.

Me saying that believing in religion is unreasonable should not be personal. People may take it personally, but they shouldn't.

It's not their fault that Christianity was adopted once upon a time in the Roman Empire.

[Topper]

I dont need forgiveness but don't appreciate your pretense. You are roo smart for that.

Stand up and say you like being a horse s rear end and be a man about it. You will earn more respect.

You were more interesting on your way out. Perhaps you are still interesting when you sont discuss religion or your supposed superior knowledge in scientific endeavors. You make woot and seatrle appear to be humble.beggars.

[LiveCoug]

What did I do to make you my enemy? My wife and I went to dinner with you and Babs. I don't recall attacking you like this--ever.

Is it really that personal for me to say that I don't think religion is based on evidence or worth believing based on a feeling that it is true despite a complete absence of real supporting evidence?

I don't think belief in untrue things is related to IQ at all. There are tons of highly intelligent people who believe. It's more an issue of the ability to think independently and critically--rejecting the idea that you should necessarily believe things based on tradition, feelings, or based on what people around you "feel" to be true or hope to be true.

I never tossed my degrees around in arguments.

I make arguments based on evidence. I cited a quote, which was accurate, and people started ripping on me again. I think Bednar's quote is scary but acknowledge that he maybe didn't mean what he said.

Condescending posts are a wonderful way to make friends! Very good!

[Art Vandelay]

How come no one told me about the thrilla with the vanillas, going on in here? Topper v. Sooner is fantastic.

[SoonerCoug]

I dont need forgiveness but don't appreciate your pretense. You are roo smart for that.

Stand up and say you like being a horse s rear end and be a man about it. You will earn more respect.

You were more interesting on your way out. Perhaps you are still interesting when you sont discuss religion or your supposed superior knowledge in scientific endeavors. You make woot and seatrle appear to be humble.beggars.

The real reason I am perceived as more of a threat than SeattleUte is because I left within the last few years.

SeattleUte says meaner things about Mormonism than I do. He calls it fucking weird and everyone laughs. But he isn't a threat because no one knew him when he as active. He represents something much more distant. Besides, I am a BYU fan, which just adds to everyone's confusion as to how to perceive me.

How often do you hear Mormons ripping on the RLDS / Community of Christ versus Episcopalians??? It's the same damn phenomenon. People who are or were recently more similar are perceived as the greatest threat and much more likely to be attacked.

The things that I write should stand for themselves. I never talked about you or your education or anything of the sort. It's not about me although I acknowledge a tone problem. All the same, this is much more about what I represent.

Every time I make an argument there is an ad hominem response. People could defend faith in a rational way, but instead of engaging me in a discussion on the merits, I am attacked personally. That's the way it goes. I'm not the only one who has noticed it.

Lastly, I reject the notion that a belief based on feelings is sacred and must be respected. Beliefs based solely on feelings or tradition do not deserve much respect in a debate on merits.

When people tell me that they want to rely on prayer instead of medicine for a life-threatening illness, I tell them that they will die if they rely only on prayer. I tell them this because it is true--not because I think they shouldn't pray. I tell them to go right on praying but to also do things based on evidence. I'm also not afraid to cite abundant, high quality evidence that prayer does not heal.

[Topper]

No. You were always weird. Sometimes a funny weird. Sometimes a weird weird. And now you are simply as mean and vitriolic. You lack credibility. Another could make the same arguments and be better received.

[kccougar]

What did I do to make you my enemy? My wife and I went to dinner with you and Babs. I don't recall attacking you like this--ever.

Is it really that personal for me to say that I don't think religion is based on evidence or worth believing based on a feeling that it is true despite a complete absence of real supporting evidence?

I don't think belief in untrue things is related to IQ at all. There are tons of highly intelligent people who believe. It's more an issue of the ability to think independently and critically--rejecting the idea that you should necessarily believe things based on tradition, feelings, or based on what people around you "feel" to be true or hope to be true.

I never tossed my degrees around in arguments.

I make arguments based on evidence. I cited a quote, which was accurate, and people started ripping on me again. I think Bednar's quote is scary but acknowledge that he maybe didn't mean what he said.

So it's not that believers are stupid, they just lack the ability to think independently and critically. That's much better.

And this is your first acknowledgement that the quote as presented by you may not accurately reflect Elder Bednar's own views. Thanks for that. Though you still haven't provided a marker to the direct quote. I don't think anyone's wading through that whole video.

[SoonerCoug]

No. You were always weird. Sometimes a funny weird. Sometimes a weird weird. And now you are simply as mean and vitriolic. You lack credibility. Another could make the same arguments and be better received.

Again, you're attacking me personally.

What did I say that was mean?

I see several things you said that were mean.

Are you upset I called Bednar a nitwit? I admit that wasn't very nice but gosh damn it topper, it's Bednar. Is it mean to you that I think Bednar is an idiot for saying nothing from books has informed his life at home or in church?

I'm trying to envision a scenario where an intelligent person would say that nothing from books had informed an aspect of their life and I'm not seeing it.

[TripletDaddy]

There is a little UB5 vibe going on as it pertains to Sooner, at least in my observation. Many will whine that they do not like Sooner's tone, but in reality it has little to do with tone (LA ute employs respectful tone and yet so many dislike him). My take is that Sooner and Seattle frustrate the masses because they harp on the exact things for which believers have no real, rational, convincing explanations. They expose some of the admitted absurdities of religion for which there is little everyman logic. Sooner and SeattleUte know this, which is why they continue to harp on it over and over. Stormtrooper-style believers get flummoxed and saturated by these topics (whether they care to admit it or not) and I believe they project some level of their frustration with the Church (lack of good explanations to pass on to questioning members or antis) onto Sooner and Seattle. Of course, both Sooner and Seattle dont help by being overly persistent in their trolling, but more often than not, it is true that Sooner is attacked personally without any real answer to his question.

But let's be honest....if there were an answer to be had, Sooner wouldn't be asking the question. That is a basic tenet of trolling. Don't tell me my business, boys!

[Topper]

I am no fan of Bednar. You can write what you wish.

But for you to pretend and to feign shock that believers here don't accept your presentation insults the intelligence of everyone. You get that.

Now you flop like a South American soccer player and cry with indignation. Lick your wounds and go insult some more like a nice sooner.