The June 1

[Commando]

She was upfront about her multiple meetings with her SP on one of the podcasts I listened to. Seriously, does nobody else obsessively listen to every podcast they can get their hands on?

Between Adam Carolla, Joe Rogan, the Nerdist, NPR, and Jay Mohr, who has time for some progressive mormon podcast??

[Commando]

You say that as if you don't have 8,000 posts here. Does it normally take more than 8,000 points of reference for you to feel like you have a sense of someone when you have met in the flesh?

Let's be honest-- about 7,900 of those are about sneakers, 90s rap, what songs I'm listening to now, concert brags, game of thrones, Pixies, or me posting in my SP isolation tank thread. I doubt you would learn anything about me from any of those.

[Commando]

he is paying you a compliment. What he is saying is that you usually aren't a dickhead.

Proves my point.

[wuapinmon]

I think you have to assume #2 to be true as well.

Well, that's the problem of theodicy.

1. God is. He exists.
2. God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent.
3. An omnibenevolent God would want that evil not exist.
4. An omnipotent God would have the power to destroy/prevent/vanquish evil.
5. An omniscient God would know all possible evil outcomes in a prelapsarian or infralapsarian creation. All evil could be prevented.
6. Therefore, if there exists an omnipotent, omnibenevolent, and omniscient God, evil cannot exist.
7. Evil exists.

Or this one about predestination vs free will

1. God is. He exists.
2. God is omniscient, omnipotent, and omnibenevolent.
3. An omniscient God knows every possible outcome of every event possible throughout history and the future, knowing what you will do before you do it.
4. Through his Apostle Paul, God has promised that we will never be tempted beyond our capacity to resist temptation. (1 Corinthians 10:13).
5. I sin.

[Nakoma]

Kate Kelly speaking with reporters about her excommunication: The Church is like an aggressive serial abuser who tells a woman it is beating her because it loves her. Okay.

http://youtu.be/RAGpGfcoopw

[Tex]

She's been excommunicated -- a damn shame.

Agreed. Sad situation all around. All things considered, I don't know how they could have come to a different conclusion however.

These church courts really should have some female representation on them, especially for women but obviously for both women and men.

You don't really understand disciplinary councils, or I suspect, the priesthood.

[wuapinmon]

You don't really understand disciplinary councils, or I suspect, the priesthood.

Nobody played this


DEPART!

[Jeff Lebowski]

So I am seeing that the letter to Kate Kelly tells her that she was disfellowshipped for "conduct contrary to the laws and order of the church", not apostasy.

http://www.deseretnews.com/media/pdf/1365030.pdf

Very interesting.

[Tex]

Well, that's the problem of theodicy.

1. God is. He exists.
2. God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent.
3. An omnibenevolent God would want that evil not exist.
4. An omnipotent God would have the power to destroy/prevent/vanquish evil.
5. An omniscient God would know all possible evil outcomes in a prelapsarian or infralapsarian creation. All evil could be prevented.
6. Therefore, if there exists an omnipotent, omnibenevolent, and omniscient God, evil cannot exist.
7. Evil exists.

Or this one about predestination vs free will

1. God is. He exists.
2. God is omniscient, omnipotent, and omnibenevolent.
3. An omniscient God knows every possible outcome of every event possible throughout history and the future, knowing what you will do before you do it.
4. Through his Apostle Paul, God has promised that we will never be tempted beyond our capacity to resist temptation. (1 Corinthians 10:13).
5. I sin.

Someone told me years ago that all concerns about doctrine could be boiled down to a fundamental problem understanding the character and nature of God. It's still remarkable to me how often that advice has proven true.

[CardiacCoug]

Agreed. Sad situation all around. All things considered, I don't know how they could have come to a different conclusion however.



You don't really understand disciplinary councils, or I suspect, the priesthood.

I understand true religion, caring for orphans and widows, etc. The rest of it is nonsense.

From where I sit your application of the Priestood just justifies acting like an asshole. No thanks.

[Tex]

I understand true religion, caring for orphans and widows, etc. The rest of it is nonsense.

From where I sit your application of the Priestood just justifies being an asshole. No thanks.

Well that confirms that.

[Coach McGuirk]

Nobody played this


DEPART!

fuck him, tex. stick around.

[LVAllen]

So I am seeing that the letter to Kate Kelly tells her that she was disfellowshipped for "conduct contrary to the laws and order of the church", not apostasy.

http://www.deseretnews.com/media/pdf/1365030.pdf

Very interesting.

That's standard disciplinary council letter wording, which covers every conceivable offense. It's set out in Handbook 1. The reasons given were essentially trying to change people's minds and building a "following."

[SeattleUte]

Tex is jubilant because he has been proven right about the true character of Mormonism. Hence, he's back!! Tex and I were right, Lebowski et al. were wrong. He understand Mormonism perfectly. I'm not mad at Tex; on the contrary. How could I be. Am I the only one who knew Tex was right all along?

[TripletDaddy]

Tex is jubilant because he has been proven right about the true character of Mormonism. Hence, he's back!! Tex and I were right, Lebowski et al. were wrong. He understand Mormonism perfectly. I'm not mad at Tex; on the contrary. How could I be. Am I the only one who knew Tex was right all along?

Not just tex. All-American, too. And commando.