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[SeattleUte]

I haven't listened to any podcasts or interviews in regards to this. You guys need better hobbies. sjbh.

Me too. (I intended to respond to this.)

[YOhio]

Family dynamics don't occur in a vacuum. Humans are social creatures, and this is all about making choices about your social circle, which for practicing Mormons is thoroughly enmeshed with their religion. Are you going to try to tell me that the religious wars going on in Iraq et al. really are about social dynamics and not at all about religion?

I don't care about your anecdotes. There are exceptions, but generally the love is conditional, it continues as long as there is not at least a social price to pay or they do not feel the institution or their standing in it or their personal identities as Mormons (which is really at the root of this) is somehow affected. Clearly there are limits to Kate's SP's "love" for her. Involuntary excommunication is nothing if not a very public shunning.

How bad would it suck if it turns out that your family loves you less because you're kind of a prick and not because of your beliefs? Not saying that's true, but you've probably thought about it, right? Would be devastating I imagine.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I think trying to use political action to try to get pressure from non-church members to force the church to change policy will get you exed almost 100% of the time. I don't understand why this is surprising. That is Mormon 101 stuff.

What are you talking about? Pretty clear you haven't followed this whole thing very closely.

The idea is that you believe God runs the church through leaders when you are a member. If you are quietly unsure nobody cares. If you make up your mind that it isn't God running the show and you need to make something happen.... Boom, outta here.

Again, a mischaracterization. One can believe that God is running the show and that he works through human beings and an earthly organization that are not perfect.

And frankly I'm fine with that. There isn't a convention or vote. You can live with the basic framework, or you can enjoy some of it while leaving parts out, but if you want to burn the building down, just leave.

This is just silly BS. Nobody is trying to burn the building down.

[byu71]

Family dynamics don't occur in a vacuum. Humans are social creatures, and this is all about making choices about your social circle, which for practicing Mormons is thoroughly enmeshed with their religion. Are you going to try to tell me that the religious wars going on in Iraq et al. really are about social dynamics and not at all about religion?

I don't care about your anecdotes. There are exceptions, but generally the love is conditional, it continues as long as there is not at least a social price to pay or they do not feel the institution or their standing in it or their personal identities as Mormons (which is really at the root of this) is somehow affected. Clearly there are limits to Kate's SP's "love" for her. Involuntary excommunication is nothing if not a very public shunning.

Your Iraq comparison is very poor. You ususally do much better.

The family that can't love one of their own who does't believe the same is the same family that would shun a member who is of a different political persuasion, marital choice, etc.

You don't attend mormon functions, you aren't around a lot of mormons, your view of mormons is very myopic.

[Sizzle]

How bad would it suck if it turns out that your family loves you less because you're kind of a prick and not because of your beliefs? Not saying that's true, but you've probably thought about it, right? Would be devastating I imagine.

We need to lock this thread, and probably the whole Foyer. YOhio just won it all.

[ERCougar]

I haven't listened to any podcasts or interviews in regards to this. You guys need better hobbies. sjbh.

Seriously. I care so little about this that I'm going to post to let you all know how little I care about it. Because you know, I just don't care.

My hobby: running. I think I'll stick with it.

[TripletDaddy]

Seriously. I care so little about this that I'm going to post to let you all know how little I care about it. Because you know, I just don't care.

My hobby: running. I think I'll stick with it.

I think it is more of a "wtf is wrong with you people" vibe and less of a "I don't care about the overall subject matter vibe."

Do you listen to these things while you are running? I honestly don't get it.

[Pheidippides]

I think it is more of a "wtf is wrong with you people" vibe and less of a "I don't care about the overall subject matter vibe."

Do you listen to these things while you are running? I honestly don't get it.

Podcasts are free. New music costs money.

[Donuthole]

New music costs money.

Nope.

[ERCougar]

I think it is more of a "wtf is wrong with you people" vibe and less of a "I don't care about the overall subject matter vibe."

Do you listen to these things while you are running? I honestly don't get it.

Yup, that and driving.
And yeah, gender equality in the church is a big deal to me, as is intellectual freedom, so I'm pretty interested what's going on. The radiowest interviews are the first podcasts I've listened because I think Doug Fabrizio is a great interviewer.
As far as spending way too much time reading stuff online, well, yeah, surfahs got a point.

[SeattleUte]

How bad would it suck if it turns out that your family loves you less because you're kind of a prick and not because of your beliefs? Not saying that's true, but you've probably thought about it, right? Would be devastating I imagine.

It's so funny that you think I was talking bout myself. I was talking about exmos in general and I'm not really part of that crowd either.

[Pheidippides]

Nope.

Okay, fine, data costs money. And I only have so much data left in my plan, what with all the podcasting and griping on the Internet and whatnot.

[byu71]

It's so funny that you think I was talking bout myself. I was talking about exmos in general and I'm not really part of that crowd either.

C'mon SU. You are an ex-mo who doesn't have the nuts to send in your severence papers.

You probably have a very good reason. I probably wouldn't either for the sake of my family and their feelings.

[TripletDaddy]

Podcasts are free. New music costs money.

I guess i think it is more fun to listen to music than to listen to press conferences, especially since a lot of this subject matter seems to rile you folks up a bit. Music makes me feel good. Judging by some of the responses I have read, many of these podcasts or interviews frustrate some of you. I just don't get it, but that is my problem, not yours or ERs. podcast on.

[SeattleUte]

C'mon SU. You are an ex-mo who doesn't have the nuts to send in your severence papers.

You probably have a very good reason. I probably wouldn't either for the sake of my family and their feelings.

Actually, I don't understand why it even matters. It doesn't. Not to me anyway.