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[Blueintheface]

she is really unattractive. That puts her in great company as far as notable women in history, though.

This. SU is trolling (surprise, surprise).

[frank ryan]

5 And said unto him, Behold, ... make us a king to judge us like all the nations.

7 And the Lord said unto Samuel .. they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.

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Dehlin was apparently quoted in the GMA piece as saying:



Interesting that Dehlin, Kelly, and those like them are interested in a so-called 21st century church while citing policies, practices, and prophets from the 1800s as supporting evidence for their positions.

Boring!

Katy Perry is a movie star. If I said you're "a sort of homely version of George Clooney" you'd be flattered I'm sure. I also think that school girl look of hers is calculated. Like I said, your guys are no match for her.

She's a pop singer

[Sullyute]

she is really unattractive. That puts her in great company as far as notable women in history, though.

It is very telling to judge a women who is seeking equality with men by her looks.

Katy Perry is a movie star. If I said you're "a sort of homely version of George Clooney" you'd be flattered I'm sure. I also think that school girl look of hers is calculated. Like I said, your guys are no match for her.

I agree with you.

[YOhio]

I like the picture and it's a lot better than yours.

Totally agree, SU. That's a lovely picture and way better than HFN's avatar.

[CardiacCoug]

I hope she's smart enough that a reprieve is not the objective here.

Sure it's not the reprieve that matters, it's a chance to shed some light on the injustice and help publicize how unfairly she is being treated.

[CardiacCoug]

It is very telling to judge a women who is seeking equality with men by her looks.

Yep it's horrible.

[YOhio]

I don't think 'Do What is Right' is a primary song. I think it's in the green book. SU and Kelly better get their facts straight if they want to be taken seriously.

[San Juan Sun]

I don't think 'Do What is Right' is a primary song. I think it's in the green book. SU and Kelly better get their facts straight if they want to be taken seriously.

Doesn't the chorus of that song say something like "Battle for freedom, in spirit and might"?

[Jeff Lebowski]

Speaking of literalists...Wow indeed.

Hmm... Now you have me puzzled. You started out this particular discussion by implicitly mocking those that apply simple moral reasoning (WWJD) with the logic that Jesus did (or advocated/allowed) some really wild stuff, therefore WWJD is meaningless. From one of your posts:

The killing, the slavery, etc. Yep. It all happened on God's watch and He even advocated some of it.

I think simple moral reasoning based on a holistic reading of the gospels makes perfect sense and is entirely consistent with the most fundamental christian principles such as "Love your neighbor" and the Golden Rule. If one considers Jesus as the God of the OT and if one believes in a literal reading of scripture (particularly the OT), then such an approach bumps into some contradictions, such as genocide, slavery, racism, etc. You seem to be arguing that we should just shrug our shoulders and accept it as one of God's mysteries. Actually, you are going farther than that: you are using such stories as implicit justification for modern-day discrimination. Your case in question is women and the priesthood, but the very same arguments were (and still are in some cases) used in support of the priesthood ban on blacks and by Southern slaveholders to support slavery. Of course, another approach is to recognize that the OT is a messy mixture of myth, culture, oral traditions, and divinely inspired narrative and maybe God doesn't really endorse horrible things like genocide and slavery and killing forty kids with a she-bear for teasing an old dude about his bald head.

[Pheidippides]

...maybe God doesn't really endorse horrible things like genocide and slavery and killing forty kids with a she-bear for teasing an old dude about his bald head.

How dare you! This is my favorite bible story! Go up, thou bald head!

[Jeff Lebowski]

How dare you! This is my favorite bible story! Go up, thou bald head!

Clark Addison loves that story too. With every fiber of his being (uh... the fibers that are still hanging on, that is).

[Pheidippides]

Clark Addison loves that story too. With every fiber of his being (uh... the fibers that are still hanging on, that is).

I think of it every time I speak evil of Elder Oaks. My trip to Montana was particularly scary.

[Dwight Schr-ute]

One tidbit in that RadioWest piece is the fact that a church spokesperson will be joining RadioWest for the full hour tomorrow. Could be very interesting. Most likely will just be frustrating though.

[Pheidippides]

One tidbit in that RadioWest piece is the fact that a church spokesperson will be joining RadioWest for the full hour tomorrow. Could be very interesting. Most likely will just be frustrating though.

I expect it will be heavy on denial that this has anything to do with the central church, that this is all local action. And that may well be true, but I don't know that a lot of people believe that right now.

Kate said that she things that all the hostility against OW is coming from Otterson and the PR department, that they are running interference between her and a real conversation with leadership. That may also be the case, but I don't believe it. PR departments don't act without taking at least general (and usually specific) direction from the CEO, at least not in my experience.

[Topper]

I wiuld like to know who advises the Church on PR matters such as this. Although the participants shouldn't be surprised it is still disappointing.

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