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  • Originally posted by Babs View Post
    Einsidel, Edna, F. The Experimental Research Evidence; Effects of Pornography on the 'Average Individual'. In Itzen, Catherine. 1992. Pornography; Women, Violence and Civil Liberties. Oxford: Oxford University Press.
    How about a book written in the last five years, and by an author that merits a Wikipedia article?

    By the way, Oxford University Press even published Teryl Givens; actually it has notoriously low standards.

    (True story: Just now I couldn't remember Givens' name so I googled "Harold Bloom"+"Joseph Smith"+"enigmatic splendors" and the first two hits were to posts by Chino on Cougarguard, Givens' book was listed third. It found Chino's sig line.)
    When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

    --Jonathan Swift

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    • Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
      How about a book written in the last five years, and by an author that merits a Wikipedia article?

      By the way, Oxford University Press even published Teryl Givens; actually it has notoriously low standards.
      seattle, sweetheart, you're being awfully difficult. You use wikipedia to evaluate the quality of your sources? speaks volumes.

      The research is everywhere. I'm not going to construct a bibliography for you. For one thing, I don't think you can afford my rates.

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      • Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
        I think your summary is fine. Maybe I would have tweaked the wording, but it's certainly accurate enough. It should be clear, I'm not really interested in defending porn, but addressing "porn addicts'" relations with their religion. A religion that recently claimed in a "semi-official" church organ that Stalin and Hitler were spawns of "secularization" and condemned "the pill or other means of artificial contraception."
        Thank you for recognizing the "semi-official" nature of the organ. However, you missed the whole point, which was that it was not the religion making the claim. Besides that, carry on.

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        • Originally posted by Babs View Post
          seattle, sweetheart, you're being awfully difficult. You use wikipedia to evaluate the quality of your sources? speaks volumes.

          The research is everywhere. I'm not going to construct a bibliography for you. For one thing, I don't think you can afford my rates.
          I was just looking for a convenient way to check her credentials, etc. Such as this:

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Dawkins
          When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

          --Jonathan Swift

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          • My wife and I were listening to Dr. Laura (!) as we were driving around this afternoon. A woman with a hint of a Utah inflection called to ask for help with her situation. Her husband (and father of their five kids) had been fired from his job for looking at pornography at the office. After he fessed up, he revealed to her that porn was the reason he had been laid off from his previous job as well. Now, with no job in sight, they are losing their home. Dr. Laura's advice was to move in with her parents; she did not opine on whether she ought to leave the hubby behind.

            I am aware that porn consumption eats up a great amount of workplace bandwidth, and I'm always left to wonder why people view porn at the office. Even if I were so inclined to do so, I wouldn't for the simple reason that I assume anyone else with access to the company server would know, later if not immediately, what I had been doing. I'm curious if porn-viewing employees don't know their usage can be easily discovered, or if they simply don't care.

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            • Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
              I am aware that porn consumption eats up a great amount of workplace bandwidth, and I'm always left to wonder why people view porn at the office. Even if I were so inclined to do so, I wouldn't for the simple reason that I assume anyone else with access to the company server would know, later if not immediately, what I had been doing. I'm curious if porn-viewing employees don't know their usage can be easily discovered, or if they simply don't care.
              Now this guy is an example of a true "porn addiction" in my opinion. Anybody who is compelled to look at porn at work to the point that he loses his job TWICE has a true mental disorder, not just a moral/religious problem. This guy needs to see a psychiatrist to figure out why he has this irrational obsession/compulsion and see if something can be done to improve on his faulty brain chemistry.

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              • Originally posted by CardiacCoug View Post
                Now this guy is an example of a true "porn addiction" in my opinion. Anybody who is compelled to look at porn at work to the point that he loses his job TWICE has a true mental disorder, not just a moral/religious problem. This guy needs to see a psychiatrist to figure out why he has this irrational obsession/compulsion and see if something can be done to improve on his faulty brain chemistry.
                Who in their right mind views porn at work? Especially if you're saddled with a cubicle. Last thing I want to see at work is the guy in the next cubicle reaching for the warming gel.
                "The mind is not a boomerang. If you throw it too far it will not come back." ~ Tom McGuane

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                • Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
                  My wife and I were listening to Dr. Laura (!) as we were driving around this afternoon. A woman with a hint of a Utah inflection called to ask for help with her situation. Her husband (and father of their five kids) had been fired from his job for looking at pornography at the office. After he fessed up, he revealed to her that porn was the reason he had been laid off from his previous job as well. Now, with no job in sight, they are losing their home. Dr. Laura's advice was to move in with her parents; she did not opine on whether she ought to leave the hubby behind.
                  What the hell's wrong with people in Utah.
                  When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

                  --Jonathan Swift

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                  • Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
                    I am aware that porn consumption eats up a great amount of workplace bandwidth, and I'm always left to wonder why people view porn at the office. Even if I were so inclined to do so, I wouldn't for the simple reason that I assume anyone else with access to the company server would know, later if not immediately, what I had been doing. I'm curious if porn-viewing employees don't know their usage can be easily discovered, or if they simply don't care.
                    About a year ago we had to terminate the employment of an individual who was habitually viewing pornography at work. The problems weren't just limited to his personal consumption, but that he sat in a cubicle and was observed on separate occasions by female co-workers. Combine that with a flirtatious personality and we suddenly had the potential of a hostile work environment situation. What finally did him in though was a virus that wreaked havoc on our IT infrastructure.

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                    • Originally posted by YOhio View Post
                      About a year ago we had to terminate the employment of an individual who was habitually viewing pornography at work. The problems weren't just limited to his personal consumption, but that he sat in a cubicle and was observed on separate occasions by female co-workers. Combine that with a flirtatious personality and we suddenly had the potential of a hostile work environment situation. What finally did him in though was a virus that wreaked havoc on our IT infrastructure.
                      My wife had a boss who had to be terminated for the same reason. It got to the point where she would have had a legit complaint against both the individual and the company for sexual harassment. She had escalated his habits to both the HR department and her boss's boss. It had long been a suspicion until I went in and did a few simple searches on his computer logs that they had apparently been reticent to do. It wasn't much longer after that when he lost his job. Sad really, because of the three kids with one on the way.

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                      • Originally posted by Babs View Post
                        seattle, sweetheart, you're being awfully difficult. You use wikipedia to evaluate the quality of your sources? speaks volumes.

                        The research is everywhere. I'm not going to construct a bibliography for you. For one thing, I don't think you can afford my rates.
                        This is a dodge. "The research is everywhere." It isn't. It isn't easy to find.

                        I remember watching the film "Killing Us Softly" by Jean Kilbourne, way back in the mid nineties. Her thesis is about the effects of advertising on women's self-image, and I find her arguments very compelling. I think the images of women in most advertising are atrocious, and it fuels our culture's obsession with thinness, plastic surgery, the hyper-sexualization of young girls and boys, etc. The insidiousness of advertising is its pervasiveness. I don't support censorship here, but I find portrayals of women in popular media and advertising to be far more damaging than pornography (my personal opinion).

                        There was a long stretch where the women in pornography were basically extra-inflated and more plastic versions of the women in advertising. But the contemporary trend is away from this. Indeed, the contemporary trend in pornography is home-made and free. Amateur porn is ruining (good riddance!) the porn industry, and the result is that there is mountains of porn depicting normal looking people having normal looking sex for free. Citing soft-studies from the early and mid 90's just isn't going to carry much weight.

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                        • I know of a student at BYU who kept attempting to view porn in BYU computer labs. He was caught and sent to the honor code office NINE times. On the ninth time, he was told that he was at the end of his rope. One more time and he was out. He did it again and was expelled one semester shy of a BS in engineering. That folks, is a man with a porn addiction.
                          "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                          "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                          "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                          • Originally posted by RobinFinderson View Post
                            This is a dodge. "The research is everywhere." It isn't. It isn't easy to find.
                            That's pretty pathetic. Aren't you a professor of some kind? And you can't manage database research? Just searching for studies of effects of pornography, limited to the last five years, turned up hundreds of citations. And that's just one search in one database.

                            You're embarrassing yourself, Robin.

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                            • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                              I know of a student at BYU who kept attempting to view porn in BYU computer labs. He was caught and sent to the honor code office NINE times. On the ninth time, he was told that he was at the end of his rope. One more time and he was out. He did it again and was expelled one semester shy of a BS in engineering. That folks, is a man with a porn addiction.
                              That folks, is a man with OCD. What did his school do to help him? It expelled him. Nice work BYU! At the school where I teach, when a students have problems, we have resources to get them help. Oh, and we have fewer resources than BYU, but we still get them help.

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                              • Originally posted by RobinFinderson View Post
                                That folks, is a man with OCD. What did his school do to help him? It expelled him. Nice work BYU! At the school where I teach, when a students have problems, we have resources to get them help. Oh, and we have fewer resources than BYU, but we still get them help.
                                Did you even read my post? (sigh)
                                "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                                "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                                "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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