The New York Times casts a harsh light on LDS institutional misogyny

[Vic Vega]

Always cracks me up when the new guys come in and start telling SU how to post.

It sounds like a right of passage I had to go through. I yield.

SU, I was just trying to manipulate you, control you, and destroy all that is good within you. It's cool though. I'm sure you understand. I'm a Mormon. It's the core of what I do.

[pellegrino]

No you are.

but what am I?

[Sullyute]

I was just trying to manipulate you, control you, and destroy all that is good within you. It's cool though. I'm sure you understand. I'm a Mormon. It's the core of what I do.

I going to make a cross stitch of this saying for my living room wall.

[SoCalCoug]

From the article:

Many asked that church authorities stop trying to inculcate chastity by comparing women who have had sex outside of marriage to “pieces of chewed gum, boards with holes nailed into them, muffins that someone else had already tasted,”

I must have missed the muffin-licking analogy during my youth. Doesn't sound very subtle.

[Topper]

From the article:



I must have missed the muffin-licking analogy during my youth. Doesn't sound very subtle.

I heard each one of those. LDS attempts to characterize "unchaste" people is very unnerving.

[Non Sequitur]

From the article:



I must have missed the muffin-licking analogy during my youth. Doesn't sound very subtle.

This thread just took a left turn. So far I've been ambivalent, but I just turned on my blinker.

[Joe Public]

I must have missed the muffin-licking analogy during my youth. Doesn't sound very subtle.

I believe pelagius started a thread on that a while back.

[Paperback Writer]

From the article:



I must have missed the muffin-licking analogy during my youth. Doesn't sound very subtle.

Cupcake licking was more often used; muffin licking seems like a poor substitute, IMO. Many years ago, a new YM adivisor used an apple. Took a bite out of it and passed it to a YM to take the next bite. After a few bites, there were no longer any untouched areas of the apple. Right when a YM hesitated to take the next bite, the advisor stood up to drive home the point - that the apple was no longer appetizing or desirable. As he was making this point, a YM took a bite anyway and passed the apple. And so did the next YM. Soon all the YM were laughing at the situation since the advisor was speechless.

At the time, the YM continued biting the apple for pure comedic effect. In hindsight, the YM made the better point.

[SeattleUte]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2Wrr...ature=youtu.be

sorry if it has been posted.

[Jacob]

This comment is horrific but there is a ring of truth. We're talking about situations where men are not forcibly ruling women but women seem to be acquiescing in their own servitude. This paradox arises, in my opinion, because women don't trust men. It's ingrained and no doubt not irrational. They're probably scared that men will be only too happy to sip bourbon and watch footbal games in their man caves and leave the whole damn instutution to the women and the kids.

Women have had an outsized hand in creating civilization. Have you read Tolstoy's the Cossacs or Tacitus' the Germania? Women have been the multi-taskers who moved us beyond hunter gatherers. Harold Bloom thinks women produced the Pentateuch. But while being flat out generally superior to men in so many ways (testosterone seems to have many deleterious effects; topic for another thread) women have had this huge burden and disadvantage in having to be the child bearers and practically speaking the care givers early on.

So in order to vest men in the enterprise, and have them around to protect them and the kids when the wolf arrives, in more primitive sitations in which religious movements have arisen, women have acquiesced in religion's patriarchy. But obviously we're living in a different age now, and women can be unrestrained, independent, and without fear. The ones who should fear are men who want to remain leaders and relevant.

Excellent use of humor.

[byu71]

I don't know how I originally missed this thread and the opportunity to state my feelings when it comes to the New York Times.

[byu71]

I don't know how I missed this thread and the opportunity to share my opinion on the New York Times.

[Crockett]

I think you need to get to a healthier place. You have become so enraged you can't accept that most people in the church mean well and try. You seem to see evil intentions everywhere. Think about your time in the church. Were your young men leaders missing time for recreation and with their families because they were concerned with controlling you?

Well put.

[Jeff Lebowski]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2Wrr...ature=youtu.be

sorry if it has been posted.

Ha. One of his better ones.