The New York Times casts a harsh light on LDS institutional misogyny

[SeattleUte]

http://nyti.ms/1qbwJ2o

[TripletDaddy]

your article contains a link to a story about the growing role of women in the LDS church. lol.

[Vic Vega]

The NY Times and SU have a poor view of Mormons? This morning could not get any weirder.

[SeattleUte]

your article contains a link to a story about the growing role of women in the LDS church. lol.

Your reading comprehension sucks.

[Omaha 680]

This article has only been going around social media for about a few days now. You are upping your game.

[SeattleUte]

This article has only been going around social media for about a few days now. You are upping your game.

Actually it has yesterday's date and quotes comments from women responding to the one about 19 year old female missionaries and women's changing roles, which is what you think this one is. Now I understand 3D's confusion as well. You should read this one. It's less of a puff piece.

[Sleeping in EQ]

There are plenty of valid criticisms in that article. If the Church actually listened to its own members, outside pressures like this wouldn't be as necessary as they are.

[Moliere]

to be allowed to teach seminary while they have children under 18

Ha, this is certainly not anywhere in any handbook. I can't remember a time where my ward didn't have a mom with children still at home teaching seminary.

“My husband’s group of young men recently trained to climb Mount Rainier together,” Jennifer McDonald, a 36-year-old clinical psychologist in DuPont, Wash., who supports women’s ordination, wrote in an email. The corresponding activities for young women were “quilting, making friendship bracelets, and hair styling,” she said.

Our stake regularly allows both YM and YW to attend Philmont. I've also proposed to the YW leaders to take their annual camp somewhere other than the stake YW camp. They aren't interested because of the time commitment of planning a whole separate camp. I bet if the YW made enough of a stink they would get to do better camps.

Other than those quibbles, seems like a decent article.

[Sullyute]

“As church leaders, we are keenly aware of these cultural issues and of course we are addressing them,” Linda K. Burton, the church’s most senior female official and president of its women’s auxiliary the Relief Society, said in a statement.

I would love to see how Church leaders are addressing these "cultural issues." I assume addressing and ignoring are the same thing in their minds. How long does it take to write up an announcement that women can be sunday school presidents? or that women can hold their own child when the baby is receiving a blessing? Or women can be finance or ward clerks? Honestly, if these are just cultural issues then one word from the mouth of Tommy Monson would change that culture in a heartbeat. Just do it already.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I would love to see how Church leaders are addressing these "cultural issues." I assume addressing and ignoring are the same thing in their minds. How long does it take to write up an announcement that women can be sunday school presidents? or that women can hold their own child when the baby is receiving a blessing? Or women can be finance or ward clerks? Honestly, if these are just cultural issues then one word from the mouth of Tommy Monson would change that culture in a heartbeat. Just do it already.

I know several women (not men - WOMEN) who were furious that the church gave in to the agitators and allowed women to pray in general conference last year. They said it set a terrible precedent. Oy vey.

[Northwestcoug]

Ha, this is certainly not anywhere in any handbook. I can't remember a time where my ward didn't have a mom with children still at home teaching seminary.

I wonder if they are talking about paid seminary positions? I know that when my wife was peripherally involved in CES, once a female CES employee had a child she couldn't work there anymore,

[SeattleUte]

I know several women (not men - WOMEN) who were furious that the church gave in to the agitators and allowed women to pray in general conference last year. They said it set a terrible precedent. Oy vey.

Remember when Julie Beck gave that infamous talk. So few women reacted. The times they are a changin'. These men are going to change to or become marginalized.

It's great the New York Times is casting a harsh glare on the LDS Church's insitutional misogyny. I've said that this is the worst thing about the LDS Church today, and probably causes the most suffering of any of its current practices, doctrines or policies. The pace of change that's occurring is dazzling. I'd like to see Beck repeat that talk today; I bet they wouldn't dare.

I have never forgotten this quotation from Nicholas Kristof which started his momentous NY Times magazine article Half the Sky: "IN THE 19TH CENTURY, the paramount moral challenge was slavery. In the 20th century, it was totalitarianism. In this century, it is the brutality inflicted on so many women and girls around the globe: sex trafficking, acid attacks, bride burnings and mass rape." I would add more subtle yet nevertheless horrible psychic and emotional brutality inflicted by socially conservative US religions including of course maybe most of all Mormonism.

[Pheidippides]

I know several women (not men - WOMEN) who were furious that the church gave in to the agitators and allowed women to pray in general conference last year. They said it set a terrible precedent. Oy vey.

All the statistics I've seen indicate that men are much more willing for women to get the Priesthood than women are. My personal opinion is that the biggest obstacle that women in the church have are other women. It certainly seemed to be the case in the wear pants movement anyway.

[imanihonjin]

In response to an article in The New York Times on Sunday, in which church leaders said they were interested in expanding opportunities for female members, Mormon women poured out requests: to be Sunday school presidents, to plan worship, to be allowed to teach seminary while they have children under 18, and to let their daughters serve as ushers.

When can we get this started?

Many asked that church authorities stop trying to inculcate chastity by comparing women who have had sex outside of marriage to “pieces of chewed gum, boards with holes nailed into them, muffins that someone else had already tasted,” said Elisa Koler, 29, a teacher and former missionary who stopped attending church because of concerns about how women are treated.

Pretty sure that wasn't just girls....it is a horrible message that demeans the atonement, but it wasn't my experience that only girls got this message.

[Omaha 680]

Remember when Julie Beck gave that infamous talk. So few women reacted. The times they are a changin'. These men are going to change to or become marginalized.

It's great the New York Times is casting a harsh glare on the LDS Church's insitutional misogyny. I've said that this is the worst thing about the LDS Church today, and probably causes the most suffering of any of its current practices, doctrines or policies. The pace of change that's occurring is dazzling. I'd like to see Beck repeat that talk today; I bet they wouldn't dare.

I have never forgotten this quotation from Nicholas Kristof which started his momentous NY Times magazine article Half the Sky: "IN THE 19TH CENTURY, the paramount moral challenge was slavery. In the 20th century, it was totalitarianism. In this century, it is the brutality inflicted on so many women and girls around the globe: sex trafficking, acid attacks, bride burnings and mass rape." I would add more subtle yet nevertheless horrible psychic and emotional brutality inflicted by socially conservative US religions including of course maybe most of all Mormonism.

At least you admit LDS misogyny is "more subtle" than sex trafficking, acid attacks, and mass rape. That must have been difficult for you.