Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in the News

[MartyFunkhouser]

The church checks in at #26 on the top 50 best places to work in America.

https://www.moneywatch.com/the-best-...JtRI9HVyYb70d8

I wonder how much of that is because it is a good place to work and how much of it is employees not being willing to make negative comments about the church.

[myboynoah]

I wonder how much of that is because it is a good place to work and how much of it is employees not being willing to make negative comments about the church.

Yep, that's gotta be it.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I wonder how much of that is because it is a good place to work and how much of it is employees not being willing to make negative comments about the church.

That's funny.

It's almost like you and NS are having a contest to see who can be the most cynical.

[MartyFunkhouser]

That's funny.

It's almost like you and NS are having a contest to see who can be the most cynical.

People who work for the church are generally all in on it. The church teachings that it is inappropriate to say anything negative about the church, even if true. So, it is a valid question.

[Jeff Lebowski]

People who work for the church are generally all in on it. The church teachings that it is inappropriate to say anything negative about the church, even if true. So, it is a valid question.

First, these surveys are always confidential.
Second, that characterization of church employees is cartoonish and patronizing to the point of being offensive.

[Non Sequitur]

First, these surveys are always confidential.
Second, that characterization of church employees is cartoonish and patronizing to the point of being offensive.

I'll keep my view on the subject to myself, other than to say that it is not as cynical as that of MF, but it is more patronizing.

[Bo Diddley]

I'll keep my view on the subject to myself, other than to say that it is not as cynical as that of MF, but it is more patronizing.

[Lost Student]

People who work for the church are generally all in on it. The church teachings that it is inappropriate to say anything negative about the church, even if true. So, it is a valid question.

You serious? Are you getting this from "don't speak evil of the Lord's anointed"?

[Green Monstah]

You serious? Are you getting this from "don't speak evil of the Lord's anointed"?

I believe that church employees love their job. They have a higher purpose; they are working for an institution they believe in and love. That's a recipe for being a happy employee.

But there are multiple resources at your disposal where members of the Big 15 have made it clear that having a negative thought/opinion about the church is permissible, but stating that negative thought/opinion publicly is verboten.

[MartyFunkhouser]

You serious? Are you getting this from "don't speak evil of the Lord's anointed"?

I'm getting it from Dallin H. Oaks it is wrong to criticize church leaders, even if the criticism is true comment.

[Lost Student]

I'm getting it from Dallin H. Oaks it is wrong to criticize church leaders, even if the criticism is true comment.

What President Oaks said:

Avoid backbiting, evil speaking, and fault-finding with respect to your bishops and RS presidents. (In contrast to "criticism" that the dictionary defines as “the act of passing judgment as to the merits of anything” that is inherent in the exercise of agency and freedom.)

What Funk heard:

it is inappropriate to say anything negative about the church, even if true

[MartyFunkhouser]

What President Oaks said:



What Funk heard:

What Dallin Oaks said:

I also said something else that has excited people: that it’s wrong to criticize leaders of the Church, even if the criticism is true

https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/...ticism_is_true

Also, as Green Monster said there is plenty of official statements from the church that its members shouldn't say anything bad about the church.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Funk, knock it off. If you can't recognize the difference between a BYU faculty member publicly criticizing the church and responding to an anonymous job satisfaction survey, you are being deliberately obtuse.

[Lost Student]

What Dallin Oaks said:


https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/...ticism_is_true

Also, as Green Monster said there is plenty of official statements from the church that its members shouldn't say anything bad about the church.

Context matters! Try reading the entire talk to get a better understanding, please.

I do not refer to the kind of criticism the dictionary defines as “the act of passing judgment as to the merits of anything.” (Random House Dictionary, unabridged ed., s.v. “criticism.”) That kind of criticism is inherent in the exercise of agency and freedom. In the political world, critical evaluation inevitably accompanies any knowledgeable exercise of the cherished freedoms of speech and of the press. In the private world, we have a right to expect critical evaluation of anything that is put into the marketplace or the public domain. Sports writers, reviewers of books and music, scholars, investment analysts, and those who test products and services must be free to exercise their critical faculties and to inform the public accordingly. This kind of criticism is usually directed toward issues, and it is usually constructive.

My cautions against criticism refer to another of its meanings, which the dictionary defines as “the act of passing severe judgment; censure; faultfinding.” (Ibid., s.v. “criticism.”) Faultfinding is “the act of pointing out faults, especially faults of a petty nature.” (Ibid., s.v. “faultfinding.”) It is related to “backbiting,” which means “to attack the character or reputation of [a person who is not present].” (Ibid., s.v. “backbite.”) This kind of criticism is generally directed toward persons, and it is generally destructive.

Faultfinding, evil speaking, and backbiting are obviously unchristian. The Bible commands us to avoid “evil speakings.” (See 1 Pet. 2:1.) It tells us to “Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you.” (Eph. 4:31.) Modern revelations direct us to avoid “backbiting,” “evil speaking,” and “find[ing] fault one with another.” (See D&C 20:53–54; D&C 42:27; D&C 88:124; and D&C 136:23.)

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/...icism?lang=eng

[Jeff Lebowski]

Context matters! Try reading the entire talk to get a better understanding, please.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Context? Nuance? Get outta here.