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  • Jeff Lebowski
    Corporate lackey for Jesus
    • Nov 2008
    • 69409

    #4396
    Originally posted by UVACoug View Post
    Michael Quinn passed away on Wednesday. I don't really know a lot about him, other than that he was a historian that got exed and is gay. I've never read any of his work. I was surprised to learn that he continued to be a believer until the end of his life. I'll have to check out some of his writing.

    https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2021...-micheal-quinn
    Yeah, I have read some of his stuff - I have a book on my shelf he authored that I never got around to reading. Super interesting guy and a very dedicated historian.
    "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
    "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
    "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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    • Northwestcoug
      Cocked and Loaded
      • May 2011
      • 17881

      #4397
      Originally posted by UVACoug View Post
      Michael Quinn passed away on Wednesday. I don't really know a lot about him, other than that he was a historian that got exed and is gay. I've never read any of his work. I was surprised to learn that he continued to be a believer until the end of his life. I'll have to check out some of his writing.

      https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2021...-micheal-quinn
      I think I only read one of his articles, the Dialogue one about post-manifesto polygamy. It was pretty heavy, but it did showcase his history chops. I'm sure his books about the mormon hierarchy are interesting, but they look intimidating.
      "...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
      "You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
      - SeattleUte

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      • Solon
        Lost in the flood
        • Nov 2008
        • 5747

        #4398
        Originally posted by Northwestcoug View Post

        I think I only read one of his articles, the Dialogue one about post-manifesto polygamy. It was pretty heavy, but it did showcase his history chops. I'm sure his books about the mormon hierarchy are interesting, but they look intimidating.
        Quinn is probably one of the five most significant Mormon historians, along with folks like Roberts, Arrington, Brooks. He pioneered (get it?) a lot of the Joseph Smith - Magic World View stuff that seemed so edgy in the 1980s but is now mainstream in Bushman's Rough Stone Rolling. He published photos of the seer stone, and now the church offers them in color. He speculated about the contents of the minutes of the Council of Fifty, and now you can just buy them at Deseret Book. His scholarship today would probably elicit a lot of shrugs, but it was dynamite 30 years ago.
        I guess he was born 30 years too early, but he left a monumental mark on Mormon history. I love his books, even if he does go for the overkill in footnotes. Nerds like me love the footnotes.

        I don't think that Quinn ever got another academic position after he resigned (allegedly under pressure) from BYU, although he got close several times.
        I think Quinn had a hard life reconciling his faith, scholarship, and sexuality - issues that a typical LDS is much more comfortable confronting today and issues that would be less likely to land him in hot water. Poor guy.

        Somewhere out there in the Great Beyond, maybe he and Boyd Packer are burying the hatchet at an all-gay poolside bar.
        "More crazy people to Provo go than to any other town in the state."
        -- Iron County Record. 23 August, 1912. (http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lc...23/ed-1/seq-4/)

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        • Northwestcoug
          Cocked and Loaded
          • May 2011
          • 17881

          #4399
          Originally posted by Solon View Post

          Somewhere out there in the Great Beyond, maybe he and Boyd Packer are burying the hatchet at an all-gay poolside bar.


          "...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
          "You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
          - SeattleUte

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          • Sullyute
            a day late/a dollar short
            • Jul 2010
            • 3308

            #4400
            Originally posted by Solon View Post
            Somewhere out there in the Great Beyond, maybe he and Boyd Packer are burying the hatchet at an all-gay poolside bar.
            Bravo, well done.
            "Friendship is the grand fundamental principle of Mormonism" - Joseph Smith Jr.

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            • Pelado
              Bald not naked
              • Sep 2010
              • 21068

              #4401
              Originally posted by Solon View Post

              Quinn is probably one of the five most significant Mormon historians, along with folks like Roberts, Arrington, Brooks. He pioneered (get it?) a lot of the Joseph Smith - Magic World View stuff that seemed so edgy in the 1980s but is now mainstream in Bushman's Rough Stone Rolling. He published photos of the seer stone, and now the church offers them in color. He speculated about the contents of the minutes of the Council of Fifty, and now you can just buy them at Deseret Book. His scholarship today would probably elicit a lot of shrugs, but it was dynamite 30 years ago.
              I guess he was born 30 years too early, but he left a monumental mark on Mormon history. I love his books, even if he does go for the overkill in footnotes. Nerds like me love the footnotes.

              I don't think that Quinn ever got another academic position after he resigned (allegedly under pressure) from BYU, although he got close several times.
              I think Quinn had a hard life reconciling his faith, scholarship, and sexuality - issues that a typical LDS is much more comfortable confronting today and issues that would be less likely to land him in hot water. Poor guy.

              Somewhere out there in the Great Beyond, maybe he and Boyd Packer are burying the hatchet at an all-gay poolside bar.
              urbandictionary.com confirmed my suspicions. And I agree with Sully.
              "I think it was King Benjamin who said 'you sorry ass shitbags who have no skills that the market values also have an obligation to have the attitude that if one day you do in fact win the PowerBall Lottery that you will then impart of your substance to those without.'"
              - Goatnapper'96

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              • Jeff Lebowski
                Corporate lackey for Jesus
                • Nov 2008
                • 69409

                #4402
                Originally posted by Solon View Post

                Quinn is probably one of the five most significant Mormon historians, along with folks like Roberts, Arrington, Brooks. He pioneered (get it?) a lot of the Joseph Smith - Magic World View stuff that seemed so edgy in the 1980s but is now mainstream in Bushman's Rough Stone Rolling. He published photos of the seer stone, and now the church offers them in color. He speculated about the contents of the minutes of the Council of Fifty, and now you can just buy them at Deseret Book. His scholarship today would probably elicit a lot of shrugs, but it was dynamite 30 years ago.
                I guess he was born 30 years too early, but he left a monumental mark on Mormon history. I love his books, even if he does go for the overkill in footnotes. Nerds like me love the footnotes.

                I don't think that Quinn ever got another academic position after he resigned (allegedly under pressure) from BYU, although he got close several times.
                I think Quinn had a hard life reconciling his faith, scholarship, and sexuality - issues that a typical LDS is much more comfortable confronting today and issues that would be less likely to land him in hot water. Poor guy.

                Somewhere out there in the Great Beyond, maybe he and Boyd Packer are burying the hatchet at an all-gay poolside bar.


                Yeah, Bushman quoted him like crazy in RSR.
                "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                • clackamascoug
                  Banned
                  • Dec 2009
                  • 9709

                  #4403
                  Originally posted by Solon View Post

                  Quinn is probably one of the five most significant Mormon historians, along with folks like Roberts, Arrington, Brooks. He pioneered (get it?) a lot of the Joseph Smith - Magic World View stuff that seemed so edgy in the 1980s but is now mainstream in Bushman's Rough Stone Rolling. He published photos of the seer stone, and now the church offers them in color. He speculated about the contents of the minutes of the Council of Fifty, and now you can just buy them at Deseret Book. His scholarship today would probably elicit a lot of shrugs, but it was dynamite 30 years ago.
                  I guess he was born 30 years too early, but he left a monumental mark on Mormon history. I love his books, even if he does go for the overkill in footnotes. Nerds like me love the footnotes.

                  I don't think that Quinn ever got another academic position after he resigned (allegedly under pressure) from BYU, although he got close several times.
                  I think Quinn had a hard life reconciling his faith, scholarship, and sexuality - issues that a typical LDS is much more comfortable confronting today and issues that would be less likely to land him in hot water. Poor guy.

                  Somewhere out there in the Great Beyond, maybe he and Boyd Packer are burying the hatchet at an all-gay poolside bar.
                  Just wondering - are you familiar with a Church Historian named Jeff Johnson? He was "on loan" from church HQ doing field work for the Cherokee Nation when I was a missionary in Tahlequah, OK circa 1980. My companions and I spent every Friday nigh with him for six months. Dinner then Dallas.

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                  • old_gregg
                    scaly man fish
                    • Nov 2009
                    • 16915

                    #4404
                    Originally posted by Shaka View Post

                    I explained what I meant by that in an earlier post. She's a board member of Open Stories Foundation and participates in the Mormon Stories podcasts and retreats not to mention her association with John Dehlin and his wife. All of the above are considered anti and their primary purpose is to lead the disaffected out of the church (and turn a profit).
                    i do not agree
                    Te Occidere Possunt Sed Te Edere Non Possunt Nefas Est.

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                    • Applejack
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2012
                      • 3812

                      #4405
                      Quinn was the best scholar of the LDS church ever. Full stop.

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                      • old_gregg
                        scaly man fish
                        • Nov 2009
                        • 16915

                        #4406
                        Originally posted by Applejack View Post
                        Quinn was the best scholar of the LDS church ever. Full stop.
                        i dont know, chris heimderdinger's scholarship regarding the nephites was groundbreaking
                        Te Occidere Possunt Sed Te Edere Non Possunt Nefas Est.

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                        • Green Monstah
                          Royal Rooter
                          • Aug 2010
                          • 13882

                          #4407
                          I've purchased and not read two of Quinn's books. I'm honestly not sure that my membership would survive, which is ironic (I think; can I get a ruling?) given that he remained a believer.
                          Jesus wants me for a sunbeam.

                          "Cog dis is a bitch." -James Patterson

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                          • Jeff Lebowski
                            Corporate lackey for Jesus
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 69409

                            #4408
                            Originally posted by Green Monstah View Post
                            I've purchased and not read two of Quinn's books. I'm honestly not sure that my membership would survive, which is ironic (I think; can I get a ruling?) given that he remained a believer.
                            Yeah that is ironic. Countless faithful LDS scholars read his books.
                            "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                            "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                            "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                            • Clark Addison
                              Senior Member
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 10287

                              #4409
                              Originally posted by old_gregg View Post

                              i dont know, chris heimderdinger's scholarship regarding the nephites was groundbreaking

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                              • The_Tick
                                Made something of myself
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 7258

                                #4410
                                Originally posted by old_gregg View Post

                                i dont know, chris heimderdinger's scholarship regarding the nephites was groundbreaking
                                As an inactive teenager....his Tennis Shoes, and Gerald Lund's Work and a Glory series helped get me active in Church. They made things more real to me. But I get it. Lol.

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