Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in the News

[Northwestcoug]

??? Have you not read the entire thread ... The article is inaccurate at best:

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/...-response.html

Are we talking about the same woman? According to the article, this is what was testified in court:

In his testimony, Fishel insisted he was unaware that abuse had occurred and that Helen never spoke to him at all. Fishel also said that Helen’s husband also did not tell him about sexual abuse but only said that his son was afraid of Michael Jensen and had described him as “the man who hurt me.”

When Fishel went to see Michael Jensen to discuss it, he said that the 4-year-old had walked in on him while he was watching internet pornography and was upset by the graphic images he’d seen.

Mormons believe that bishops have a spiritual gift known as the power of discernment that allows them to divine if someone is telling the truth. Fishel told the court he prayed for guidance after meeting with Michael Jensen, and determined the teen was being truthful.

[tooblue]

Are we talking about the same woman? According to the article, this is what was testified in court:

We are talking about the article over all and the conclusion it attempts to draw supported in its title. The victim helpline does not "hide claims of sexual abuse."

[All-American]

I find it amusing whenever I see somebody claim someone took certain actions to “shield themselves from lawsuits.”

Yeah, and I reduced my speed once to stay under the speed limit, but only to shield myself from a traffic ticket.

Don’t we WANT people to act so that you couldn’t accuse them of breaking the law?

[ScoopJahoop]

I find it amusing whenever I see somebody claim someone took certain actions to “shield themselves from lawsuits.”

Yeah, and I reduced my speed once to stay under the speed limit, but only to shield myself from a traffic ticket.

Don’t we WANT people to act so that you couldn’t accuse them of breaking the law?

Come on now. You know very well that what people object to is being dishonest or unethical to protect yourself from lawsuits. If the way someone chooses to avoid being caught speeding is to call in a bomb threat at the courthouse to occupy all law enforcement than no, we DON’T WANT people doing that.

[Green Monstah]

I find it amusing whenever I see somebody claim someone took certain actions to “shield themselves from lawsuits.”

Yeah, and I reduced my speed once to stay under the speed limit, but only to shield myself from a traffic ticket.

Don’t we WANT people to act so that you couldn’t accuse them of breaking the law?

As a spiritual organization that promotes moral and ethical behavior, the church should always err on the side of protecting victims of sexual abuse, even if it conflicts with the church’s pecuniary interests—particularly when doing so advances the church's Reputation and moral standing.

I think the church has made progress in this regard, but there is more room for growth.

[old_gregg]

I find it amusing whenever I see somebody claim someone took certain actions to “shield themselves from lawsuits.”

Yeah, and I reduced my speed once to stay under the speed limit, but only to shield myself from a traffic ticket.

Don’t we WANT people to act so that you couldn’t accuse them of breaking the law?

right, most counsel given by attorneys to clients that might be party to litigation in the future is to stop breaking the law.

[All-American]

Come on now. You know very well that what people object to is being dishonest or unethical to protect yourself from lawsuits. If the way someone chooses to avoid being caught speeding is to call in a bomb threat at the courthouse to occupy all law enforcement than no, we DON’T WANT people doing that.

Being honest and ethical, and not calling in bomb threats, is a great way to avoid law suits.

[old_gregg]

Being honest and ethical, and not calling in bomb threats, is a great way to avoid law suits.

i suspect the church is not paying gibson dunn’s fees to tell it to be honest and ethical

[All-American]

i suspect the church is not paying gibson dunn’s fees to tell it to be honest and ethical

They’re not paying Gibson Dunn’s fees in any event.

But more to the point, that’s exactly what you get a lawyer to do.

[old_gregg]

They’re not paying Gibson Dunn’s fees in any event.

But more to the point, that’s exactly what you get a lawyer to do.

you sure gdc is not currently engaged? and right, you hire a lawyer to counsel on litigation strategy and avoidance. that advice consists of more than “don’t break the law”—it’s also about reducing the expected cost of having broken the law.

[MartyFunkhouser]

I find it amusing whenever I see somebody claim someone took certain actions to “shield themselves from lawsuits.”

Yeah, and I reduced my speed once to stay under the speed limit, but only to shield myself from a traffic ticket.

Don’t we WANT people to act so that you couldn’t accuse them of breaking the law?

I'm all for criticizing the church, but criticizing them for mitigating risk is stupid.

[MartyFunkhouser]

We are talking about the article over all and the conclusion it attempts to draw supported in its title. The victim helpline does not "hide claims of sexual abuse."

I agree. It also isn't there to protect victims of abuse. The church doesn't deserve any criticism for the hotline. I can see criticizing them for being dishonest with their fellow man by claiming it is about protecting the victims of abuse, that position is downright laughable. It is a risk mitigation and protecting their financial interests tool.

[myboynoah]

I agree. It also isn't there to protect victims of abuse. The church doesn't deserve any criticism for the hotline. I can see criticizing them for being dishonest with their fellow man by claiming it is about protecting the victims of abuse, that position is downright laughable. It is a risk mitigation and protecting their financial interests tool.

Strange. How is requring reporting accusations of abuse when found not protecting victims?

[tooblue]

Strange. How is requring reporting accusations of abuse when found not protecting victims?

Well, you see it's complicated. The Church is being dishonest by being proactively forthcoming in requiring its lay clergy to report abuse ... Which of course mitigates risk, but only to one party except for the coincidental benefit it could offer another party ... So actually, you could say the church is mitigating the risk of all parties concerned, but don't forget that by being proactively forthcoming, the Church is being dishonest ... Despite the fact its actions both mitigate its risk while also benefiting and mitigating the risk of others.

[Copelius]

Clearly I’m too stupid to post here. My apologies.

Well, I dunno . . .

Come on now. You know very well that what people object to is being dishonest or unethical to protect yourself from lawsuits. If the way someone chooses to avoid being caught speeding is to call in a bomb threat at the courthouse to occupy all law enforcement than no, we DON’T WANT people doing that.

Guess you're right.