This is going to go over well ... Ugh

[clackamascoug]

She clarified that she thinks "liberal" means "disobedient." And really, who among us hasn't come across the word "liberal" as "disobedient?" Pretty common in my experience.

I concur with your expert analysis. That's like Hal telling me I was too liberal with those cream puffs.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

Dolores_Umbridge.JPG

I never read the books, but I always wanted Dolores Umbridge to get her comeuppance. I thought her portrayal of that villain type was one of the more brilliant parts of the movie series. But you can see the type of damage these people do in ward/relief society/school settings. I'm sure we've all come across this at some point in our lives. Petty, judgmental control freaks can make things pretty miserable.

[ERCougar]

Joni Hilton has written five award-winning plays, is the author of 20 books, and holds a Master of Fine Arts degree in Professional Writing from USC...Hilton hosted a daily TV talk show in Los Angeles for four years, is still a TV spokeswoman across the U.S. for various corporations, and is highly in demand as a public speaker.

http://www.amazon.com/Joni-Hilton/e/B001IXU7A6

[Topper]

Being with liberal Mormons is much easier than attending with Jonis of the the Church. Meridian Magazine is not worth the effort. It lacks intellectual integrity or acumen.

[FMCoug]

Being with liberal Mormons is much easier than attending with Jonis of the the Church. Meridian Magazine is not worth the effort. It lacks intellectual integrity or acumen.

I just want a church where the progmos, Jonis, white shirters, no shirters, tatooed and pierced, and other types of every stripe can attend, get along, and not judge each other. The Gospel can be boiled down to a very few simple truths. Belief (or hope thereof) of those things should be the only "litmus test." And even that should only be applied by God.

[New Mexican Disaster]

I just want a church where the progmos, Jonis, white shirters, no shirters, tatooed and pierced, and other types of every stripe can attend, get along, and not judge each other. The Gospel can be boiled down to a very few simple truths. Belief (or hope thereof) of those things should be the only "litmus test." And even that should only be applied by God.

You're asking way too much.

[YOhio]

You're asking way too much.

He really is. Not just of Mormons, but of people in general. Maybe there are some non-denoms where it happens though it's unlikely that they spend as much time together as LDS. Sometimes it's just a simple matter of being sick of each other. I also think it's funny that hyper-critical FM is the one banging the drum for tolerance.

[Applejack]

http://www.amazon.com/Joni-Hilton/e/B001IXU7A6

Joni Hilton has written five award-winning plays, is the author of 20 books, and holds a Master of Fine Arts degree in Professional Writing from USC.

:usc:

[ERCougar]

He really is. Not just of Mormons, but of people in general. Maybe there are some non-denoms where it happens though it's unlikely that they spend as much time together as LDS. Sometimes it's just a simple matter of being sick of each other. I also think it's funny that hyper-critical FM is the one banging the drum for tolerance.

Sure. I'm guessing she wrote this after she felt slighted by some liberal Mormon who had been to Europe but skipped her visiting teaching last month. I can understand getting upset and spouting off, but she's a professional author, writing an article that's going to be viewed by thousands (I guess?), and she doesn't take a night to cool off? Maybe reread it the next day before posting? Beyond that, she at least claims to be a RS president, which at least should be reason to take a little extra caution in how she comes across.

I read something by her (I think?) about the stages of testimony a week or two ago that wasn't as offensive, but still...curious. Taking these two together, I have to just conclude that this lady is kooky. Frankly, I'm shocked she made it through a graduate writing program at any non-BYU institution, let alone a member of the intellectually elite PAC 12.

[clackamascoug]

Perhaps she's attention starved, and as long as the conversation is about her, for either good or bad, she can quell those needy demons in her head.

[FMCoug]

He really is. Not just of Mormons, but of people in general. Maybe there are some non-denoms where it happens though it's unlikely that they spend as much time together as LDS. Sometimes it's just a simple matter of being sick of each other. I also think it's funny that hyper-critical FM is the one banging the drum for tolerance.

LOL. I just like to be critical of Utah because it gets your panties in such a wad. I don't think most people who know me would consider me "hyper-critical". But I'm sure you'll "prove" me wrong.

[FMCoug]

I read something by her (I think?) about the stages of testimony a week or two ago that wasn't as offensive, but still...curious. Taking these two together, I have to just conclude that this lady is kooky. Frankly, I'm shocked she made it through a graduate writing program at any non-BYU institution, let alone a member of the intellectually elite PAC 12.

I skimmed some of her other articles today. Even the ones where I agreed with the points she was making (the testimony one for example) there was an air of self-righteousness that just doesn't sit right with me. There was an article about not being a "text parent" (i.e parenting via FaceBook, text messages, etc.) where she had some very good points about the kind of relationships we should have with our kids. Yet the thesis of the thing seemed to be to bash women who choose "optional" careers over being a SAHM.

[YOhio]

I skimmed some of her other articles today. Even the ones where I agreed with the points she was making (the testimony one for example) there was an air of self-righteousness that just doesn't sit right with me. There was an article about not being a "text parent" (i.e parenting via FaceBook, text messages, etc.) where she had some very good points about the kind of relationships we should have with our kids. Yet the thesis of the thing seemed to be to bash women who choose "optional" careers over being a SAHM.

Thanks for making my point.

[myboynoah]

I just want a church where the progmos, Jonis, white shirters, no shirters, tatooed and pierced, and other types of every stripe can attend, get along, and not judge each other. The Gospel can be boiled down to a very few simple truths. Belief (or hope thereof) of those things should be the only "litmus test." And even that should only be applied by God.

I don't want to attend a church where members feel comfortable not wearing shirts.

[smokymountainrain]

I just want a church where the progmos, Jonis, white shirters, no shirters, tatooed and pierced, and other types of every stripe can attend, get along, and not judge each other. The Gospel can be boiled down to a very few simple truths. Belief (or hope thereof) of those things should be the only "litmus test." And even that should only be applied by God.

If you attend the LDS church, at least in my experience, you already have such a church. I'm dead serious. In my last ward, there were progmos, there were Jonis, there were white shirters, there were no shirters (they would wear shirts to church - thank heavens, but on many other occasions didn't wear them), there were men and women with tattoos, and there were pierced folks - they all got along, were welcomed and the bishop treated all the same.

Sometimes I wonder if part of the reason I tend to defend the church as often as I do here, is that I've always attended good wards, with good people who don't judge people for trivial things and for the most part are just trying to be like Jesus.