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  • FMCoug
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2008
    • 6825

    #1

    This is going to go over well ... Ugh




    I think I was a child when I first heard the term, “Liberal Mormon.” It meant people who were of our faith, but who drew their own lines in the sand. They decided which aspects of our faith to accept or reject, from honoring the Sabbath to wearing less than modest clothing. Basically, it described people who were members of convenience. When they didn’t like something the Prophet said, they felt perfectly fine skirting around that one, and writing their own rules.

    They often attend church, but they’re the ones who dodge Gospel Doctrine class because the teacher is “so by-the-book.” This criticism is meant to imply that he’s a dolt who never questions anything, so why should I attend a class taught by someone so narrow-minded?

    They disagree with several points in the Proclamation to the World, say no to callings that insult their intelligence, and create their own spin on how God will ultimately judge us (very leniently, usually). They think bikinis are fine, iced tea is a tasty drink, and R-rated movies are often artistic and worth seeing.

    Invariably liberal Mormons do not read their scriptures every day. They do not attend the temple, they do not show up to help someone move, and they do not Home Teach or Visit Teach with regularity. They view those who do as quaint minions who never question authority and who follow the rules like mindless sheep. The one thing they do subscribe to with gusto, however, is free agency. In fact, free agency is their justification for the Designer Gospel they have refurbished to suit their individual tastes.
    This reads like satire.
    Last edited by FMCoug; 10-31-2013, 09:00 AM.
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  • falafel
    loves to talk on things
    • Mar 2009
    • 37950

    #2
    Former Young Women President, Elaine Cannon, once said, “When the Prophet speaks, the debate is over.”
    Luckily, Sister Cannon isn't the prophet, so this debate can continue.
    Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

    Dig your own grave, and save!

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    • byu71
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2008
      • 22070

      #3
      Originally posted by FMCoug View Post
      http://www.ldsmag.com/article/1/13489

      The assumptions about others' motivations are great.
      Wow Joni, I wonder if you know what the terms "mullah" or "ALUF" stand for. You come across as either or. Even so, I am sure you are a sweet spirit.

      Edit: I remember in the mission field the term for the free thinkers among the Elders was gentile. When I met my first DL I had a tie on with stripes. Very basic, not wild.

      His comment was something to the effect, "dang, I see I am going to have to reform another gentile elder".
      Last edited by byu71; 10-31-2013, 09:33 AM.

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      • Paperback Writer
        Signature won a Pulitzer
        • Nov 2010
        • 5211

        #4
        Might need a poll for this one. Is "Liberal Mormon" more disparaging than "Cafeteria Mormon"? Besides don't liberals perfer to be referred as progressives?

        A couple of my favorites from the article:
        Liberal Mormon = "Bohemians, free thinkers, beatniks, hippies"

        "They think bikinis are fine, iced tea is a tasty drink, and R-rated movies are often artistic and worth seeing."
        IMO, the "facts" are against this statement; although, qualifications should be made: bikinis are fine on some bodies, several flavors of iced tea are tasty, and many R-rated movies are artistic and worth seeing.

        But in the end, her point is that liberal Mormons are lazy.

        My favorite:
        "The dedicated members don’t have to excuse or explain themselves..." But yet, in my experience, it's the "dedicated members" who are constanlty explaining themselves and why everyone should conform to their idea of being a LDS.
        “Not the victory but the action. Not the goal but the game. In the deed the glory.”
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        • sparky
          Junior Member
          • Dec 2011
          • 158

          #5
          Someone is a witch for Halloween.

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          • dabrockster
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2009
            • 10934

            #6
            I wouldn't call that a "Liberal Mormon". I'd call him a "Lazy Ass Mormon"...

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            • Sullyute
              a day late/a dollar short
              • Jul 2010
              • 3308

              #7
              So she is painting "liberal mormons" with the same broad brush that "TBMs" are painted with. Seems good tit-for-tat. She also know her audience very well.
              "Friendship is the grand fundamental principle of Mormonism" - Joseph Smith Jr.

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              • TripletDaddy
                sweet triple
                • Nov 2008
                • 58186

                #8
                Liberal mormon holla!!!
                Fitter. Happier. More Productive.

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                • SandYFan
                  Junior Member
                  • May 2013
                  • 754

                  #9
                  Them's fightin' words.

                  To what end?

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                  • clackamascoug
                    Banned
                    • Dec 2009
                    • 9709

                    #10
                    The comments on her article are interesting. She's not in the middle, she on her own edge pushing an agenda.

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                    • Jeff Lebowski
                      Corporate lackey for Jesus
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 69642

                      #11
                      That lady reminds me of YOhio.
                      "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
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                      • byu71
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 22070

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                        That lady reminds me of YOhio.
                        Wow, all this time when YOhio made smart ass comments to me, I thought I was alone he thinking he was out of line.

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                        • Bertie Wooster
                          Junior Member
                          • Apr 2013
                          • 4

                          #13
                          This reads like satire.[/QUOTE]

                          If I hadn't seen the source of the article I would have assumed it was satire.

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                          • Pelado
                            Bald not naked
                            • Sep 2010
                            • 21136

                            #14
                            Originally posted by clackamascoug View Post
                            The comments on her article are interesting. She's not in the middle, she on her own edge pushing an agenda.
                            One of my favorite comments:

                            On the other hand, the liberal Mormons I know who still attend church tend to have a more thorough understanding of Church history and doctrine and are among the most passionate members of the class. They have to fight to stay, since they are often so despised by their fellow ward members. I have also found them to be among those who most love and serve their fellow ward members, as well as the larger community. Joni, I really feel like you are leaning towards phariseeism here. What you have published is highly judgemental and just completely wrong. You can't judge a member merely by how well they fit in with your cultural expectations. Sometimes the ones who least fit in are the ones who are most trying to do things for the right reasons instead of merely going with the flow.
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                            • YOhio
                              Hipster Mode
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 26165

                              #15
                              Originally posted by byu71 View Post
                              Wow, all this time when YOhio made smart ass comments to me, I thought I was alone he thinking he was out of line.
                              Um, he was referring to the fact that Joni Hilton and I both have a lantern jaw.

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