If a female tried to get into the priesthood session of GC...

[creekster]

I go back and forth on the idea ordaining LDS females.

In general, I think it's a good step for women in the faith.
On the other hand, Mormonism seems to have some fundamental beliefs about the nature of men & women that ordained women might not feel comfortable supporting.

LDS women asking for priesthood is a little like African Americans asking to join the Confederate army.

Very little.

[clackamascoug]

I go back and forth on the idea ordaining LDS females.

In general, I think it's a good step for women in the faith.
On the other hand, Mormonism seems to have some fundamental beliefs about the nature of men & women that ordained women might not feel comfortable supporting.

LDS women asking for priesthood is a little like African Americans asking to join the Confederate army.

LDS women asking for priesthood is like you even pretending you're fully authorized to make comments on the African American mindset.

[Solon]

LDS women asking for priesthood is like you even pretending you're fully authorized to make comments on the African American mindset.

I'm a lot of things, clack, some good; some bad. I never claimed to speak for African Americans.
The notion that we can only speak about things that we have experienced firsthand is trivial and stupid. Can you draw opinions based on historical circumstances? Should it matter that you're not a Macedonian, a Mongol, or a Moor?

Why don't you try addressing the analogy on its own merits, rather than suggest that someone doesn't have the right to think about stuff?
Or should I assume that you are not fully authorized to make comments on the mindset of someone engaging in a constructive dialogue?

PS - remember I wrote "a little like" before the hyperbole criticisms come pouring in.

[clackamascoug]

I'm a lot of things, clack, some good; some bad. I never claimed to speak for African Americans.
The notion that we can only speak about things that we have experienced firsthand is trivial and stupid. Can you draw opinions based on historical circumstances? Should it matter that you're not a Macedonian, a Mongol, or a Moor?

Why don't you try addressing the analogy on its own merits, rather than suggest that someone doesn't have the right to think about stuff?
Or should I assume that you are not fully authorized to make comments on the mindset of someone engaging in a constructive dialogue?

PS - remember I wrote "a little like" before the hyperbole criticisms come pouring in.

I should have toned it down, but my clever pride got before me. I can see how it could come across mean. Sorry, didn't mean to step on any toes.

BTW... I might be a Mongrel so easy on the Moob finger pointing.

Whenever I contemplate the women and the priesthood issue, I hearken back to Jesus Christ and what we know of His works and intentions whilst about His Fathers business here on Earth. Being omnipotent as he was, and the "smartest guy in the room" if it would have been integral to the Gospel Plan for women to participate more fully in the New and Improved Gospel, that would have been a good time to invite women to participate with men on the same Priesthood level. Two horses pulling the same plow comes to mind, but He didn't set it up that way.

Maybe the hierarchical order that we have currently have is actually the Lords wish, for reasons that are beyond our pay grade to know currently, and that we will have a full understanding of The Gospel when all of our dimensional experiences collapse into one super cool (smart) eternal being.

[creekster]

I'm a lot of things, clack, some good; some bad. I never claimed to speak for African Americans.
The notion that we can only speak about things that we have experienced firsthand is trivial and stupid. Can you draw opinions based on historical circumstances? Should it matter that you're not a Macedonian, a Mongol, or a Moor?

Why don't you try addressing the analogy on its own merits, rather than suggest that someone doesn't have the right to think about stuff?
Or should I assume that you are not fully authorized to make comments on the mindset of someone engaging in a constructive dialogue?

PS - remember I wrote "a little like" before the hyperbole criticisms come pouring in.

My problem is with the analogy. It's a little correct like women can be a little pregnant. Just MO.

[Joe Public]

The notion that we can only speak about things that we have experienced firsthand is trivial and stupid.

I agree completely.

[All-American]

I agree completely.

How would you know that?

[CardiacCoug]

I go back and forth on the idea ordaining LDS females.

In general, I think it's a good step for women in the faith.
On the other hand, Mormonism seems to have some fundamental beliefs about the nature of men & women that ordained women might not feel comfortable supporting.

LDS women asking for priesthood is a little like African Americans asking to join the Confederate army.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/8...residents.html

I agree. To me an article like this list of "Mission Presidents and Wives" is a good litmus test. I'm sure most LDS people think it's good and normal to include the professions of all of the Presidents but NONE of the Presidents' Wives. I think it's ridiculous. They should have similar bios for the men and women. Also I don't get why both the husband and the wife can't be called together as Presidents of the Mission or whatever else they want to call it so the couple has equal billing.

Women shouldn't want to sign up for the Priesthood until or unless a lot of this stupid sexist stuff in the Church gets fixed also.

[old_gregg]

I should have toned it down, but my clever pride got before me. I can see how it could come across mean. Sorry, didn't mean to step on any toes.

BTW... I might be a Mongrel so easy on the Moob finger pointing.

Whenever I contemplate the women and the priesthood issue, I hearken back to Jesus Christ and what we know of His works and intentions whilst about His Fathers business here on Earth. Being omnipotent as he was, and the "smartest guy in the room" if it would have been integral to the Gospel Plan for women to participate more fully in the New and Improved Gospel, that would have been a good time to invite women to participate with men on the same Priesthood level. Two horses pulling the same plow comes to mind, but He didn't set it up that way.

Maybe the hierarchical order that we have currently have is actually the Lords wish, for reasons that are beyond our pay grade to know currently, and that we will have a full understanding of The Gospel when all of our dimensional experiences collapse into one super cool (smart) eternal being.

i for one am really glad that jesus didn't decide blacks weren't an important component of his church until 1978.

[Bo Diddley]

I should have toned it down, but my clever pride got before me. I can see how it could come across mean. Sorry, didn't mean to step on any toes.

BTW... I might be a Mongrel so easy on the Moob finger pointing.

Whenever I contemplate the women and the priesthood issue, I hearken back to Jesus Christ and what we know of His works and intentions whilst about His Fathers business here on Earth. Being omnipotent as he was, and the "smartest guy in the room" if it would have been integral to the Gospel Plan for women to participate more fully in the New and Improved Gospel, that would have been a good time to invite women to participate with men on the same Priesthood level. Two horses pulling the same plow comes to mind, but He didn't set it up that way.

Maybe the hierarchical order that we have currently have is actually the Lords wish, for reasons that are beyond our pay grade to know currently, and that we will have a full understanding of The Gospel when all of our dimensional experiences collapse into one super cool (smart) eternal being.

It seems to me that God works within the context of the culture we have here on Earth. It wasn't until the civil rights movement broke down artificial barriers that the revelation came for all worthy men to be able to have the priesthood. Similarly, I would not be shocked one day to find that women can receive the priesthood.

[old_gregg]

It seems to me that God works within the context of the culture we have here on Earth. It wasn't until the civil rights movement broke down artificial barriers that the revelation came for all worthy men to be able to have the priesthood. Similarly, I would not be shocked one day to find that women can receive the priesthood.

yeah turns out that god dude actually is a respecter of persons when it's politically expedient

[clackamascoug]

All of the above points are good, which makes the situation all the more baffling.

[Bo Diddley]

yeah turns out that god dude actually is a respecter of persons when it's politically expedient

Right. He should have given people (including us) the Gospel in it's purest form through all generations, because he's no respecter of persons. I wonder why political expediency seems to play such a prominent role? Regardless of the reasons, it certainly does.

[old_gregg]

Right. He should have given people (including us) the Gospel in it's purest form through all generations, because he's no respecter of persons. I wonder why political expediency seems to play such a prominent role? Regardless of the reasons, it certainly does.

there is a very simple explanation

[Bo Diddley]

there is a very simple explanation

Well as long as it's simple...it must be right.