If a female tried to get into the priesthood session of GC...

[clackamascoug]

I thought Oaks, while laying the smackdown, stated some things which I don't recall ever being discussed by church leaders, specifically in conference. He directly and clearly said that women exercise the Priesthood in the temples. That women in auxiliaries are excercising a bit of priesthood because those are all capacities which operate by priesthood.

I don't know if he did this intentionally in an attempt to "give" something more to the women or if he did it inadvertantly in an attempt to say, "look, you already have a bit of the priesthood!"

Either way, stripping away some of the more talked about points, I thought it was significant for Oaks to discuss the ways in which women already do, in fact, exercise priesthood and the way he seemed to allude to women actually having the priesthood, but not the offices nor keys.

And there's the problem. Is it better to be a hardliner and say this is how it is - deal with it, or try and pacify women by saying you are already exercising priesthood authority in your callings. By opening the door a crack, I think there will be future ramifications with Elder Oak's talk.

[All-American]

And there's the problem. Is it better to be a hardliner and say this is how it is - deal with it, or try and pacify women by saying you are already exercising priesthood authority in your callings. By opening the door a crack, I think there will be future ramifications with Elder Oak's talk.

I don't see anything wrong, per se, with saying that there are lines we don't cross but that there is also improvement to be made. I think elder Oaks's talk actually could have laid the groundwork for what I think would be the ideal outcome: not the total dissolution of all distinctions between the genders, but recognizing the unique contributions either can make, affirming the codependence of men and women, and instructing that they are to be held as equals notwithstanding their differences.

[SoonerCoug]

I don't see anything wrong, per se, with saying that there are lines we don't cross but that there is also improvement to be made. I think elder Oaks's talk actually could have laid the groundwork for what I think would be the ideal outcome: not the total dissolution of all distinctions between the genders, but recognizing the unique contributions either can make, affirming the codependence of men and women, and instructing that they are to be held as equals notwithstanding their differences.

So you think excluding women from apostleship is the ideal outcome? Did I understand you correctly? I want to get you on record.

[Solon]

So you think excluding women from apostleship is the ideal outcome? Did I understand you correctly? I want to get you on record.

The Elephant in the Room is what the temple teaches about the relationships between men & women.
Not that it's appropriate to discuss here, but the actions outweigh the soothing assurances of "equal but different". (IMO)

[PaloAltoCougar]

The Elephant in the Room is what the temple teaches about the relationships between men & women.
Not that it's appropriate to discuss here, but the actions outweigh the soothing assurances of "equal but different". (IMO)

There have already been some changes; it's safe to say there will be more.

[cougjunkie]

So you think excluding women from apostleship is the ideal outcome? Did I understand you correctly? I want to get you on record.

Put me on record as saying I sustained the prophet and apostles therefore I am in agreeance with thr church's current stance.

Same with the loon on the OW website who said she would like thr main she sustained, supported and practically worshipped to look her in the eye and tell her why she can't have the priesthood. I find that somewhat ironic.

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[SoonerCoug]

What a tragic mistake for church leaders to encourage the average member to defend the faith online:

[Solon]

What a tragic mistake for church leaders to encourage the average member to defend the faith:

LOL. that guy is way too fidgety.

[Northwestcoug]

That guy gives off a serious Jack Nicholson vibe.

[Topper]

And there's the problem. Is it better to be a hardliner and say this is how it is - deal with it, or try and pacify women by saying you are already exercising priesthood authority in your callings. By opening the door a crack, I think there will be future ramifications with Elder Oak's talk.

And that is a bad thing?

[clackamascoug]

And that is a bad thing?

The use of the word "problem" was generic in the sense that his remarks did little to quell the situation. For the weakest of the saints like me, we need direction, and a conference talk open to interpretation like this will leave us wandering in the wilderness and worshiping golden calves for 6 more months.

[Topper]

The use of the word "problem" was generic in the sense that his remarks did little to quell the situation. For the weakest of the saints like me, we need direction, and a conference talk open to interpretation like this will leave us wandering in the wilderness and worshiping golden calves for 6 more months.

If you have excess gold those of us less weak know how to put it to use.

[Bruiserstone]

What a tragic mistake for church leaders to encourage the average member to defend the faith online:

I finally know who DS7 is on Cougarboard.

[clackamascoug]

If you have excess gold those of us less weak know how to put it to use.

I've heard that people who leave the church take up drinking just about anything, and I suppose a nice pint of ormus would do wonders for the tips of your DNA. In your case, however, I never took you as a "anything helps" cardboard holder.

[SeattleUte]

What a tragic mistake for church leaders to encourage the average member to defend the faith online:

Sooner, he has a point. I think that what we are seeing is the official position of the LDS Church shift over to this guy's perspective. Notice also that this guy is over 60; typical. I predict that from now on we'll see the institution increasingly marginalized and reduced in size as ultimately it gos the way of Zoroastrians and Quakers. The LDS Church is dead men walking. It's kaput. And this conference is the official turn in that direction.