Leaving the Church

[byu71]

I can tell that LA and 71 are the type that pick up a book and skip right to the last chapter.

You are right. I am too lazy and won't make the sacrifice to wade through all of your redundant crap to pick out the few gems that might be buried in the manure. I can count on some of your admirers to point them out for me.

[byu71]

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Now, with respect to your question. First, I think my reply was perfectly tailord to 71's insinuation that unbelievers are taking the lazy way out.

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If by "unbelievers" you are referring to those who don't believe in the LDS church, you have once again taken something I said and incorrectly judged the spirit in which it was given.

However, I shouldn't expect anything different as you rejected the Holy Ghost and the "gift of discernment" long ago.

[UtahDan]

From sustaining and defending the faith by Joseph Fielding McConkie adn Robert Millet says to ask the right questions. A van was traveling through Washington that said exmormons who have been saved. It stopped at a restaurant and coleage had urge to go in. He could tell who they were by appearance and asked them if they were former mormons that have been saved. Yes sir they proudly said.

He then said I ahve one question for you. What commandment is it that you did not want to keep. A long adn awkward silence followed. Found it easier to prove church false and be saved by grace than honestly repent of there sins.

This really sums up nicely what I think all of us have been trying to say.

[byu71]

This really sums up nicely what I think all of us have been trying to say.

Not all of us. Sounds like a made up or embellished story to me. One I wouldn't agree with even if true. It smacks of again approaching everyone else on the basis of "our" commandments are the "true" commandments.

While we believe that, it isn't incumbent on everyone else to believe it. For instance, someone grows up and just can't buy the JS story anymore. They then are sitting at a bar having a beer. "We", LDS folks point to him and say, see he just can't keep the WOW. That's why he is a Baptist.

I for one don't buy the, people leave the church because they can't keep the commandments scenario. I think it is more they don't want to and I don't need to believe otherwise to keep my own faith shored up.

If I misunderstood what you or grape was saying, correct me.

[I.J. Reilly]

Not all of us. Sounds like a made up or embellished story to me. One I wouldn't agree with even if true. It smacks of again approaching everyone else on the basis of "our" commandments are the "true" commandments.

While we believe that, it isn't incumbent on everyone else to believe it. For instance, someone grows up and just can't buy the JS story anymore. They then are sitting at a bar having a beer. "We", LDS folks point to him and say, see he just can't keep the WOW. That's why he is a Baptist.

I for one don't buy the, people leave the church because they can't keep the commandments scenario. I think it is more they don't want to and I don't need to believe otherwise to keep my own faith shored up.

If I misunderstood what you or grape was saying, correct me.

I'm pretty sure UtahDan was just having a bit of interplay fun with grapevine. Of course, I could let UD speak for himself, but what fun is there in that?

[byu71]

I'm pretty sure UtahDan was just having a bit of interplay fun with grapevine. Of course, I could let UD speak for himself, but what fun is there in that?

Don't get old folks. You end up missing out on so much of the subtle stuff.

[I.J. Reilly]

Don't get old folks. You end up missing out on so much of the subtle stuff.

I originally read this as "You don't get old folks," and I was wondering if there was something there that went above my head, as in you were just yanking UD and Grape's chain. I was beginning to think that I had lost my reading comprehension. Then I realized that the sentance is supposed to read, "Don't get old, folks." and I felt much better. If it is otherwise don't let me know.

[byu71]

I originally read this as "You don't get old folks," and I was wondering if there was something there that went above my head, as in you were just yanking UD and Grape's chain. I was beginning to think that I had lost my reading comprehension. Then I realized that the sentance is supposed to read, "Don't get old, folks." and I felt much better. If it is otherwise don't let me know.

Your second analysis was correct. When in doubt, you can assume I am not yanking anyone's chain. I don't do that kind of thing.

[UtahDan]

If I misunderstood what you or grape was saying, correct me.

My comment could not have been any more sarcastic.

[UtahDan]

I'm pretty sure UtahDan was just having a bit of interplay fun with grapevine. Of course, I could let UD speak for himself, but what fun is there in that?

My comments are like great literature. I intend for you to find your own meaning in them, so there really is no wrong answer as long as it is well reasoned.