Garments being shown

[Lost Student]

This sister apparently never heard that she can wear the lingerie over the top of her Gs. Problem solved!

But that might not make anything skyrocket, however.

[marsupial]

I don't miss them at all.

And Victoria's Secret's semi-annual sale is going on now. Send your wives to the mall. I blew a wad there last night.

[The Rambam]

No offense, but the chances of the church ditching garments (or even easing up on the wearing requirements) are somewhere between letting gays marry in the temple and women receiving the priesthood. It would certainly be welcome, but it's just too ingrained in the culture.

I think the chances are lower. Gays will be married in the Temple and women's priesthood will be recognized before the garments go away (and both former things will happen in my lifetime).

There was a time when people in the Church would have sworn that garments would never become as skimpy as they are now. I had missionary companion who told me about a family friend who was RLDS and would complain about how much the Mormons had changed the garment. The friend said, "Pretty soon you guys will just be carrying the marks around in your pocket."

Hyrum Smith sewed the marks inside pleats on his regular outside-worn shirt and pants. It was the marks that matter, they believed then.

Agreed. In fact the church seems to be getting more strict in regard to the wearing of the garment - even adding verbiage to the TR interview questions to account for it.

I assume you are referring to the little soliloquy at the end of the questions. When I heard it I thought that someone tasty little tart must have moved in next to one of the 15 and she gardens in a tight tank top. Gardening being specifically mentioned is a very odd duck. As if everyone lived in a brown stucco rambler on .4 acres with a garden plot. Talk about out of touch.

The garment was not always in its current form. It used to go to the ankles and wrists. It was in the early 1900s that the authorized pattern could be shortened to the knees and short sleeves, however at that time the full garment (to the ankles and wrists) was still required to be worn in the temple. I guess I just see a time (not next year but maybe before I die) when we no longer are required to wear it, except for when we do certain ordinances in the temple.

Maybe it's wishful thinking, but then again maybe the members that wished for the elimination of the PH ban, or for openly gay members to be able to hold temple recommends and serving in leadership callings in the church, or the elimination of polygamy and a stop to the preaching that only through polygamy would we become gods.

There is usually a retrenchment before there is a change/relaxation.

Brilliant insight. I agree that there is often a last gasp fight before the old guard rolls over. Maybe that is what we are seeing with garments. It would be nice. I doubt it, but one can hope.

I understand there is certainly a precedent in hoping that garments go away. But I just don't see it happening. The phrase "an outward expression of an inward commitment to follow the Savior" is used both within the church and press releases, to signify the importance of garments. For better or (mostly) worse, it has become the easiest way to gauge a member's level of righteousness.

Now it could certainly be modified as in the past. I've heard hopes that the sleeves could be done away with, since there are no symbols in that area. But again, those sleeves are protecting the next generation of priesthood from evil thoughts and wanton desires.

I think this is the key. The garment is about modesty today. And until modesty standards are relaxed, the garment won't be changed. May the day be hastened.

This sister apparently never heard that she can wear the lingerie over the top of her Gs. Problem solved!

Nothing sexier than a g-string and pasties on top of garments.

[Joe Public]

I don't miss them at all.

And Victoria's Secret's semi-annual sale is going on now. Send your wives to the mall. I blew a wad there last night.

Talk about setting up a punchline...

[lambdacoug]

Nothing sexier than a g-string and pasties on top of garments.

The trick is getting the pasties to stick...

[Donuthole]

Talk about setting up a punchline...

Yeah, it was too easy. Don't take the bait.

[marsupial]

What is the new verbiage being used?

[Sullyute]

Nothing sexier than a g-string and pasties on top of garments.

Hey something both Rambam and Indy can agree on!

[TalkyTina]

I don't miss them at all.

And Victoria's Secret's semi-annual sale is going on now. Send your wives to the mall. I blew a wad there last night.

This could be the beginning of a beautiful new ad campaign for VS.

[Pheidippides]

What is the new verbiage being used?

Yeah, I'm interested in this too, as my time for renewal is here.

[smokymountainrain]

What is the new verbiage being used?

I don't have access to it as I don't have to ask those questions anymore. <high fives self>

[Pheidippides]

http://mormonstories.org/other/TRI%2...s%20120911.pdf

[The Rambam]

Yeah, I'm interested in this too, as my time for renewal is here.

http://mormonstories.org/other/TRI%2...s%20120911.pdf

There you go. In all its glory.

Wearing garments is a "sacred privilege" and garments are a "protection against temptation and evil" (what evil?). "It is expected that members will wear the garment both night and day [by whom?, why?] according to covenants made in the temple." But we never make a covenant in the temple to wear garments, we are instructed and that is it.

Don't alter the garment to fit under clothes "even when such clothing may be generally accepted." By whom? In what nation or culture?

Don't take off the garment "to work in the yard or for other activities that can reasonable be done with the garment worn properly beneath the clothing." What is reasonable here? I could reasonably run in the morning in sweats and a t-shirt with my garments on, must I do so really?

But then "Members who have and covenants in the temple should be guided by the Holy Spirit to answer for themselves personal questions about wearing the garment." Great. I'll follow the Holy Spirit, the Church can stay out of it.

[The Rambam]

http://mormonstories.org/other/TRI%2...s%20120911.pdf

Confound it. I had a call that delayed my response.

[The Rambam]

Agreed. In fact the church seems to be getting more strict in regard to the wearing of the garment - even adding verbiage to the TR interview questions to account for it.

"It's up to you if you want to wear your garments or not. But if you choose to NOT wear them you are a unworthy covenant breaker who has lost the Spirit.....but again it's up to you."

It is good to know they leave it up to us.