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    I hope this transfers over well. You won't get te embedded links, but you can see the text. I get very rich-looking and visually well-produced e-mails several times a week from Californians Against Hate, a group headed up by a man named Fred Karger. Karger is on local talk radio in the greater L.A. area all the time and is very charming and articulate. When "live," he comes across as folksy and reasonable. I have noticed that he is not careful with what he perceives to be facts. For example, it occurs to me that Matt Holland probably left the National Organization for Marriage board because he just became president of UVU. That said, I wish the sons and close family members of GAs would not take positions like the one Matt Holland had - even if there's no manipulation or consultation going on, there sure can be an appearance of such.

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    Where’s Matt Holland?
    Did the National Organization for Marriage
    Fire Mormon from its Board?


    LOS ANGELES, CA – Frank Rich’s brilliant Op-ed piece, “The Bigots’ Last Hurrah," in yesterday’s New York Times, discussed the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints’ (Mormon Church) involvement with the anti-gay National Organization for Marriage (NOM). He said, “(One of them, the son of one of the 12 apostles in the Mormon Church hierarchy, recently stepped down.)"

    His name was there last week as a member of the NOM Board of Directors, and it suddenly disappeared from the NOM web site. In a recent interview with Malcolm Maclaughlin, that appeared in the April 13th Capitol Weekly, NOM President Maggie Gallagher refused to the name the Mormon on her Board.

    It was Matthew S. Holland a BYU Political Science Professor, and son of one of the 12 Mormon Apostles, Jeffrey R. Holland. Young Holland was the Mormon representative who helped set up the National Organization for Marriage (NOM) with his close friend and mentor Princeton Professor Robert P. George – NOM’s Chairman. We believe that NOM was created in the summer of 2007 as a Mormon front group to qualify Proposition 8 for the California ballot, and fight marriage equality around the country.

    Californians Against Hate is currently running on--line newspaper ads in several Northeast states that are considering same-sex marriage laws. The ads warn that “The Mormons are Coming, The Mormons are Coming!" To view the clever banner ad and accompanying poem click here to go to our web site: Mormongate.com

    The ad is patterned after the famous Midnight Ride of Paul Revere that took place 234 years ago on April 18, 1775. Paul Revere rode across the countryside to warn the citizens of the attacking British soldiers. Now, 234 years later, we want to warn the citizens of the Northeast states about the National Organization for Marriage and its relentless drive to try and stop the momentum of marriage equality.

    The NOM produced a cheesy TV commercial “A Gathering Storm," radio commercials, direct mail and is conducting political robo-calls by the millions in several states. Their 60 second TV commercial has sparked more parodies, which have received far more YouTube visits, than the original. There are several that are very funny, but last week Steve Colbert’s; Colbert Coalition had one of our favorites. Check it out, click here: Colbert

    The disclaimer at the end says: “Paid for by Generous Donations From an Anonymous Group That May or May Not be the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints."

    The Mormon Front Group Charge is sticking, while the California Fair Political Practices Commission (FPPC) investigates our complaint on the Church’s lack of filing non-monetary contributions for all its Yes on Prop 8 expenditures and for its establishment of NOM and not reporting it.

    The FPPC is has an ongoing investigation of Mormon Church and its involvement in Prop 8 that was announced November 21, 2008.

    Where is Matthew S. Holland? Why did he suddenly leave the National Organization for Marriage? Ask him why NOM President Maggie Gallagher refused to reveal his name last week? Here is his telephone number and email at BYU.

    Matthew Holland: Phone: 801-422-3982 Email: matt_holland@byu.edu

    I think that when folks call that number they will not find Mr. Holland. They'll have to call UVU. As for the National Organization for Marriage, I met Brian Brown, the Executive Director, a couple of times. He's a Catholic and NOM is a heavily Catholic organization. I believe they did the early signature-gathering to get Prop 8 on the ballot. I have not done any research, but I understand there is not a shred of truth to the claim that the LDS Church is behind NOM.
    Last edited by LA Ute; 04-20-2009, 03:46 PM.
    “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
    ― W.H. Auden


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    I feel like I am looking into the Matrix reading that thing.
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    • #3
      Has any one linked the hateful youtube referenced in the Times artile?

      Also, FWIW, NY Times won five Pulitzers today.
      When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

      --Jonathan Swift

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      • #4
        Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
        Has any one linked the hateful youtube referenced in the Times artile?
        Here's the ad. I'm sure you will love it. By last fall's standards it's pretty tame. [Update:] Looks like the YouTube code is not working well. Here's a link.

        [YOUTUBE]<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/Wp76ly2_NoI&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xcfcfcf&hl=en& feature=player_embedded&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/Wp76ly2_NoI&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xcfcfcf&hl=en& feature=player_embedded&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>[/YOUTUBE]

        All these points are retreads from last fall's campaign. I don't think it is a very good ad.
        Last edited by LA Ute; 04-20-2009, 03:34 PM.
        “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
        ― W.H. Auden


        "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
        -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


        "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
        --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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        • #5
          Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
          Has any one linked the hateful youtube referenced in the Times artile?

          Also, FWIW, NY Times won five Pulitzers today.
          Also, FWIW, we all know how useful the "pulitzers" are they are giving out lately, right?
          Let's get on with the gettin' on....

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          • #6
            Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
            Here's the ad. I'm sure you will love it. By last fall's standards it's pretty tame. [Update:] Looks like the YouTube code is not working well. Here's a link.

            [YOUTUBE]<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/Wp76ly2_NoI&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xcfcfcf&hl=en& feature=player_embedded&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/Wp76ly2_NoI&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xcfcfcf&hl=en& feature=player_embedded&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>[/YOUTUBE]

            All these points are retreads from last fall's campaign. I don't think it is a very good ad.

            That ad is horrible. A storm is gathering? Give me a break. All the actors in the commercial sound like they are lying.
            Just try it once. One beer or one cigarette or one porno movie won't hurt. - Dallin H. Oaks

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            • #7
              Originally posted by BlueHair View Post
              That ad is horrible. A storm is gathering? Give me a break. All the actors in the commercial sound like they are lying.
              Maybe the actors are self-loathing gays.

              If they really spent $1.5 million on that video, they sure didn't get much for their money.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by CardiacCoug View Post
                Maybe the actors are self-loathing gays.

                If they really spent $1.5 million on that video, they sure didn't get much for their money.
                It's pretty bad.
                “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
                ― W.H. Auden


                "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
                -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


                "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
                --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
                  Has any one linked the hateful youtube referenced in the Times artile?

                  Also, FWIW, NY Times won five Pulitzers today.
                  The New York Times... All the news that's fit to be made up
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                  "And here’s what life comes down to—not how many years you live, but how many of those years are filled with bullshit that doesn’t amount to anything to satisfy the requirements of some dickhead you’ll never get the pleasure of punching in the face." – Adam Carolla

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                  • #10
                    The NOM chairman, Robert P. George, is a devoted catholic although quite friendly with the LDS church. He is one of the most outspoken proponents for families in our nation. He has served on the presidents coucil on families among other positions. What I like about him is that he takes a very scholarly approach to the issues of family (abortion, marriage, etc) rather than an emotional rant. He spoke at a BYU devotional this past year and it is well worth the listen - http://speeches.byu.edu/?act=viewitem&id=1809
                    70% of the world is covered by water, for the rest there's Eric Weddle.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
                      It's pretty bad.
                      It may be bad but its dishonesty did make my blood boil. The thing is a lie from start to finish. "They're taking my freedom away..." How so? Took the words right out of the mouth of a gay couple. This was the big lie that pervaded the Prop. 8 campaign. I actually didn't want to believe the specious charge that soon churches would be forced to marry gays was an outcome determinative factor in the election, it was so tawdry. But here we have confirmation that yes, that was the war cry. Despicable. And the rainbow coalition presentation was over the top.
                      When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

                      --Jonathan Swift

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by utahby5 View Post
                        The NOM chairman, Robert P. George, is a devoted catholic although quite friendly with the LDS church. He is one of the most outspoken proponents for families in our nation. He has served on the presidents coucil on families among other positions. What I like about him is that he takes a very scholarly approach to the issues of family (abortion, marriage, etc) rather than an emotional rant. He spoke at a BYU devotional this past year and it is well worth the listen - http://speeches.byu.edu/?act=viewitem&id=1809
                        No thanks.
                        When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

                        --Jonathan Swift

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by utahby5 View Post
                          The NOM chairman, Robert P. George, is a devoted catholic although quite friendly with the LDS church. He is one of the most outspoken proponents for families in our nation.
                          He is one of the most outspoken opponents of some families. As a pro-gay marriage person, this is ground that I am no longer willing to yield. The mormon church and Mr. George are not pro-familiy. In fact they are pursuing political measures that would exert destructive forces on many families.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by RobinFinderson View Post
                            He is one of the most outspoken opponents of some families. As a pro-gay marriage person, this is ground that I am no longer willing to yield. The mormon church and Mr. George are not pro-familiy. In fact they are pursuing political measures that would exert destructive forces on many families.
                            You and I define family differently. I like this one:

                            We, the First Presidency and the Council of the Twelve Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, solemnly proclaim that marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God and that the family is central to the Creator's plan for the eternal destiny of His children.

                            The family is ordained of God. Marriage between man and woman is essential to His eternal plan. Children are entitled to birth within the bonds of matrimony, and to be reared by a father and a mother who honor marital vows with complete fidelity.
                            70% of the world is covered by water, for the rest there's Eric Weddle.

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                            • #15
                              Fred Karger, after being the driving force behind getting the Church investigated for election fraud which resulted in guilty pleas to 13 charges of election fraud and a fine has now filed a complaint against the National Organization for Marriage.

                              Essentially he is alleging that it received around $350K in donations in 2008 from "big donors" whose names it was required to report but didn't. One was a $10K donation from Mitt Romney through his Alabama PAC Free and Strong. Another was $25K from Elder Cardon who is a Seventy. This all came out, apparently, in documents obtained in an investigation of NOM's activities in Maine. Here is the full list of unreported donors:

                              Michael Casey - $150,000
                              Jamestown, RI

                              Sean Fieler - $100,000
                              New York, NY

                              Craig Cardon - $25,000
                              Mesa, AZ

                              Free and Strong America (Romney's Alabama PAC) - $10,000
                              Belmont, CA

                              Charles Stetson - $20,000
                              New York, NY

                              Timothy Busch - $20,000
                              Irvine, CA
                              Reported $10,000 $10,000 Not Reported

                              Brian Harrington - $10,000
                              Newtown, CT

                              Brent Bowden - $10,000
                              Mesa PA

                              Jim Vargas - $10,000
                              La Jolla, CA

                              Kenneth Kremensky - $9,500
                              El Cajon, CA
                              Reported $9,100 $400 Not Reported

                              Mark O'Brien - $5,000
                              Swathmore, PA
                              http://www.huffingtonpost.com/fred-k...22.html?ref=tw

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