The Best of Mormon Messages Thread

[LA Ute]

I am always hunting for good videos to show my seminary kids. Here's a very nice one based on a great message from D.F. Uchtdorf.

[YOUTUBE]wiiadnMvm20[/YOUTUBE]

I humbly request that if anyone wants to make a joke or put up a parody video please find another thread. Let this one be for people looking to be inspired. Or I'll start calling you names....

[TripletDaddy]

It's ironic that this post will be immediately deleted even though I've asked for forgiveness several times, but I'll post it anyway:
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Forgiveness: My Burden Was Made Light - YouTube

Since you know that you cannot post here, it isnt ironic that the post will be deleted.

[Viking]

I can post here. The administrators choose to delete my posts. I've asked for forgiveness several times. They refuse to forgive. I don't hold any grudges, I love everyone. I'll continue to love the administrators even though they'll continue to refuse to forgive me.

Hi Moose. You're a bigot, an anti-semite, and a racist. Go away.

[TripletDaddy]

I can post here. The administrators choose to delete my posts. I've asked for forgiveness several times. They refuse to forgive. I don't hold any grudges, I love everyone. I'll continue to love the administrators even though they'll continue to refuse to forgive me.

If they have not forgiven you then you cannot post here. Ergo, you have a reasonable expectation that your posts will be deleted and therefore it is not ironic.

Your unqualified love is commendable, however.

[hostile]

I can post here. The administrators choose to delete my posts. I've asked for forgiveness several times. They refuse to forgive. I don't hold any grudges, I love everyone. I'll continue to love the administrators even though they'll continue to refuse to forgive me.

In order to avoid high jacking this thread can you continue this in the "Responding to Persecution" thread?

[Flystripper]

I can post here. The administrators choose to delete my posts. I've asked for forgiveness several times. They refuse to forgive. I don't hold any grudges, I love everyone. I'll continue to love the administrators even though they'll continue to refuse to forgive me.

[Art Vandelay]

There is a difference between forgiveness and consequences. We are commanded to forgive, we are not commanded to disregard or change the consequences of one's actions.

[Clark Addison]

There is a difference between forgiveness and consequences. We are commanded to forgive, we are not commanded to disregard or change the consequences of one's actions.

That may be the first time you have ever sounded like a bishop.

[Indy Coug]

That may be the first time you have ever sounded like a bishop.

Probably time to get released. He's learned his lesson.

[DU Ute]

It doesn't work that way. Using your logic it would be okay for the family of the prodigal son to continue to shun him and not invite him to family functions based on their own set of rules and "consequences". They could say they forgive him, but that there are still consequences. This is not true forgiveness.

Natural consequences can't be changed. Introducing our own man-made consequences rarely does any good. I had a bishop who thought he was living some higher law by punishing his kids for not going to bed early by not feeding them the next day. His rationale was that his kids going hungry was a consequence of their misbehavior.

Needless to say, his kids chose not to follow his example and left the church. The natural consequence of not going to bed early is being tired the next day. The bishop should have left it at that. The natural consequence of being a dick and not feeding your kids is that your kids don't choose to follow you.

What rhymes with Bruce?

[Indy Coug]

It doesn't work that way. Using your logic it would be okay for the family of the prodigal son to continue to shun him and not invite him to family functions based on their own set of rules and "consequences". They could say they forgive him, but that there are still consequences. This is not true forgiveness.

Natural consequences can't be changed. Introducing our own man-made consequences rarely does any good. I had a bishop who thought he was living some higher law by punishing his kids for not going to bed early by not feeding them the next day. His rationale was that his kids going hungry was a consequence of their misbehavior.

Needless to say, his kids chose not to follow his example and left the church. The natural consequence of not going to bed early is being tired the next day. The bishop should have left it at that. The natural consequence of being a dick and not feeding your kids is that your kids don't choose to follow you.

If the consequences are known ahead of time and agreed to ahead of time, then that person needs to be held accountable to what was previously agreed upon. Thus, in the applicable circumstance in this thread, Art Vandelay is entirely correct.

[LA Ute]

This one's pretty good too (not a Youtube so I couldn't embed):

http://bcove.me/9ycxfhmq

[LA Ute]

Having grown up during the Cold War, I always get a little misty when watching this one:

[YOUTUBE]6WQA2Mc7qqU#![/YOUTUBE]

[YOhio]

[YOUTUBE]3qQApICCALo[/YOUTUBE]

[myboynoah]

[YOUTUBE]3qQApICCALo[/YOUTUBE]

That's pretty neat, YO.