Lust

[Flystripper]

that is a funny quote.

Agreed. I thought it was clever and not very offensive or obsurd.

[Jacob]

Go read Miracle of Forgiveness again, and try to understand why Christians don't believe Mos are 'Christian'. That book does not seem to fully believe in the forgiving, 'go your way and sin no more', Jesus.

Read it again? Like most Mormons, I haven't read it once. No thank you.

[Indy Coug]

Read it again? Like most Mormons, I haven't read it once. No thank you.

It's not nearly as bad as NWUF and Rambam would have you believe.

[Jacob]

It's not nearly as bad as NWUF and Rambam would have you believe.

I know. I'm still not interested though. Other books on the list. I've read parts. My favorite is about Cain being still alive as modern-day Sasquatch. Which tends to prove there was no worldwide flood

[Donuthole]

I know. I'm still not interested though. Other books on the list. I've read parts. My favorite is about Cain being still alive as modern-day Sasquatch. Which tends to prove there was no worldwide flood

It proves no such thing. For all we know, Cain/Sasquatch was masquerading as a primate to get a ride on Noah's Ark.

[NorthwestUteFan]

I only suggest we read that book to understand some of the underlying fundamentals related to this topic that still exist in the church. Apocryphal or not, doctrinal or not, the ideas still persist.

[creekster]

I know. I'm still not interested though. Other books on the list. I've read parts. My favorite is about Cain being still alive as modern-day Sasquatch. Which tends to prove there was no worldwide flood

Maybe Cain was a really good swimmer.

[Indy Coug]

Maybe Cain was a really good swimmer.

The thick coat of hair could insulate against hypothermia.

[Dr. Heinz Doofenshmirtz]

In Mormondom we teach very clearly that lusting in your heart is the actual equivalent of adultery (3 Ne. 12:28). We also teach that lusting alone is a denial of the faith leading to your being "cast out" (DC 42:23). The Miracle of Forgiveness--given to every boy who ever felt his girlfriend up and confessed to his bishop during the 80s and 90s--is very clear and dogmatic about this point.

I would tend to disagree that the proper interpretation of the Sermon on the Mount is that lust = adultery in terms of seriousness, consequences, etc. I have always taken the meaning to be that "just because you're not actually doing the deed doesn't mean that you're in the clear." And I think that's a fair point--I think there is a differentiation to be made between natural attraction and lust, although I agree that for a teenage boy that line can be difficult to place. (I do think that the line shifts, and rightfully so, after marriage.)

[Northwestcoug]

What an offensive and absurd post.

Here's some very offensive quotes that SWK ran with when he wrote Miracle of Forgiveness:

. . . Your virtue is worth more than your life. Please young folk, preserve your virtue even if you lose your lives. ."
-David O. McKay

"...There is no true Latter-day Saint who would not rather bury a son or daughter than to have him or her lose his or her chastity -- realizing that chastity is of more value than anything else in all the world."
-Heber J. Grant

Being the modern prophet who I grew up with, I was taught this in mutual:

"Also far-reaching is the effect of loss of chastity. Once given or taken or stolen it can never be regained. Even in forced contact such as rape or incest, the injured one is greatly outraged. ... It is better to die in defending one's virtue than to live having lost it without a struggle."
-Spencer W. Kimball

So to the extent anybody in my generation has sexual dysfunction, I'm placing a lot of blame on the church for teaching these offensive doctrines.

[Indy Coug]

There's far more sexual dysfunction in the church due to the pervasive influences of pornography and uber-permissive cultural influences than there is due to a handful of hyperbolic teachings about the importance of being chaste before marriage.

[smokymountainrain]

Here's some very offensive quotes that SWK ran with when he wrote Miracle of Forgiveness:

. . . Your virtue is worth more than your life. Please young folk, preserve your virtue even if you lose your lives. ."
-David O. McKay

"...There is no true Latter-day Saint who would not rather bury a son or daughter than to have him or her lose his or her chastity -- realizing that chastity is of more value than anything else in all the world."
-Heber J. Grant

Being the modern prophet who I grew up with, I was taught this in mutual:

"Also far-reaching is the effect of loss of chastity. Once given or taken or stolen it can never be regained. Even in forced contact such as rape or incest, the injured one is greatly outraged. ... It is better to die in defending one's virtue than to live having lost it without a struggle."
-Spencer W. Kimball

So to the extent anybody in my generation has sexual dysfunction, I'm placing a lot of blame on the church for teaching these offensive doctrines.

That last quote is especially strange.

[Northwestcoug]

That last quote is especially strange.

My quote? If so, fine. For my part, I envy men in the church who didn't take to heart these quotes while growing up. But I don't think I'm alone when I say I experienced a lot of needless emotional pain growing up, because I thought i was guilty of serious sins. I might have had the same guilt growing up in a non-Mormon church, but that's irrelevant. The offensive "sin next to murder" came/still comes from the top, and faithful youth leaders feel a duty to teach it. So yeah, I place blame on the church for that.

[smokymountainrain]

My quote? If so, fine. For my part, I envy men in the church who didn't take to heart these quotes while growing up. But I don't think I'm alone when I say I experienced a lot of needless emotional pain growing up, because I thought i was guilty of serious sins. I might have had the same guilt growing up in a non-Mormon church, but that's irrelevant. The offensive "sin next to murder" came/still comes from the top, and faithful youth leaders feel a duty to teach it. So yeah, I place blame on the church for that.

I should have been more clear. SWK's last quote.

[Donuthole]

I should have been more clear. SWK's last quote.

Was that really SWK's last quote? What a way to go out.