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  • Originally posted by UtahDan View Post
    Surprised this has not been posted yet. There is piece in the Ensign entitled "When He Stopped Believing" which I view as a tentative, but very positive, step in the right direction.

    http://www.lds.org/ensign/2012/07/wh...pped-believing
    I can't believe no one has commented on this. This is the Ensign advocating simply loving an apostate spouse. Love over belief. Something we have argued about here interminably here. It would be better out of the mouth of a GA in conference, but this is the first time the message has been delivered. This is going to save a whole bunch of marriages, IMO.

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    • Originally posted by Non Sequitur View Post
      I don't know. Leaving Smiths was kind of traumatic. I even had a card.
      You made the right choice. Harmons is awesome.
      Last edited by Jeff Lebowski; 06-21-2012, 10:37 AM.
      "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
      "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
      "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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      • Originally posted by byu71 View Post
        I think I made it clear, but I will reiterate, I am talking about a select few. Of my many friends who have chosen to no longer practice, only 1 is obsessed with letting those of us who still consider ourselves in, know why we are up in the night.
        I don't go around telling everyone I know that is still mormon and still associates with me (basically just family) why I left. I told them once, and that is proper and sufficient, IMO. However, when faced with mormonism so constantly and so overtly, it is hard to not remind them that that ship has sailed and that I am out and with good reason. I also want them to understand the reasons I did what I did so they can move past their hopes that I'll pull a prodigal son routine and get on with the business of just being family/friends.

        But, that is just me...internet persona aside, I don't go around constantly reminding mormons that I'm not anymore and why.
        Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas are any good, you'll have to ram them down people's throats.
        - Howard Aiken

        Any sufficiently complicated platform contains an ad hoc, informally-specified, bug-ridden, slow implementation of half of a functional programming language.
        - Variation on Greenspun's Tenth Rule

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        • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
          You made the right choice. Harmons is awesome.
          Meh, we preferred Macey's...
          Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas are any good, you'll have to ram them down people's throats.
          - Howard Aiken

          Any sufficiently complicated platform contains an ad hoc, informally-specified, bug-ridden, slow implementation of half of a functional programming language.
          - Variation on Greenspun's Tenth Rule

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          • Originally posted by UtahDan View Post
            I can't believe no one has commented on this. This is the Ensign advocating simply loving an apostate spouse. Love over belief. Something we have argued about here interminably here. It would be better out of the mouth of a GA in conference, but this is the first time the message has been delivered. This is going to save a whole bunch of marriages, IMO.
            Good article.

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            • Originally posted by atheistcougar View Post
              Meh, we preferred Macey's...
              "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
              "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
              "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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              • Originally posted by atheistcougar View Post
                Meh, we preferred Macey's...


                That is like preferring TJ Maxx over Nordstrom.
                Fitter. Happier. More Productive.

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                • Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post


                  That is like preferring TJ Maxx over Nordstrom.
                  Which is pretty understandable for poor student families...
                  Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas are any good, you'll have to ram them down people's throats.
                  - Howard Aiken

                  Any sufficiently complicated platform contains an ad hoc, informally-specified, bug-ridden, slow implementation of half of a functional programming language.
                  - Variation on Greenspun's Tenth Rule

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                  • Originally posted by atheistcougar View Post
                    Meh, we preferred Macey's...
                    Sir, you want instruction. Go to Harmons. Get some shredded Parmesan Reggiano and Romaine. Go to the deli and get some London Port and smoked gouda. Go to the bakery and get some fresh ciabatta. Go home, make a ceasar salad, roast beef sandwich, and then tell me you prefer Macey's.
                    Last edited by Non Sequitur; 06-21-2012, 11:11 AM.
                    "The mind is not a boomerang. If you throw it too far it will not come back." ~ Tom McGuane

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                    • Originally posted by Non Sequitur View Post
                      Sir, you want instruction. Go to Harmons. Get some shredded Parmesan Reggiano and Romaine. Go to the deli and get some London Port and smoked gouda. Go to the bakery and get some fresh ciabatta. Go home, make a ceasar salad, roast beef sandwich, and then tell me you prefer Macey's.
                      I'll stick with Hy-Vee and Price Chopper. They are a lot closer...
                      Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas are any good, you'll have to ram them down people's throats.
                      - Howard Aiken

                      Any sufficiently complicated platform contains an ad hoc, informally-specified, bug-ridden, slow implementation of half of a functional programming language.
                      - Variation on Greenspun's Tenth Rule

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                      • Originally posted by atheistcougar View Post
                        I don't go around telling everyone I know that is still mormon and still associates with me (basically just family) why I left. I told them once, and that is proper and sufficient, IMO. However, when faced with mormonism so constantly and so overtly, it is hard to not remind them that that ship has sailed and that I am out and with good reason. I also want them to understand the reasons I did what I did so they can move past their hopes that I'll pull a prodigal son routine and get on with the business of just being family/friends.

                        But, that is just me...internet persona aside, I don't go around constantly reminding mormons that I'm not anymore and why.
                        Great, you are exactly like my friends who are now having more fun that I.

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                        • Originally posted by atheistcougar View Post
                          I don't go around telling everyone I know that is still mormon and still associates with me (basically just family) why I left. I told them once, and that is proper and sufficient, IMO. However, when faced with mormonism so constantly and so overtly, it is hard to not remind them that that ship has sailed and that I am out and with good reason. I also want them to understand the reasons I did what I did so they can move past their hopes that I'll pull a prodigal son routine and get on with the business of just being family/friends.

                          But, that is just me...internet persona aside, I don't go around constantly reminding mormons that I'm not anymore and why.
                          I would like to remind everyone that I am out because of carpet on the gym floor. No loving God would do that. Some times it is important to take a stand for what is right AC.

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                          • Originally posted by UtahDan View Post
                            I would like to remind everyone that I am out because of carpet on the gym floor. No loving God would do that. Some times it is important to take a stand for what is right AC.
                            You will be pleased to know that the church is moving away from carpeted gyms and are replacing them with hardwood. There is hope for you yet!
                            Everything in life is an approximation.

                            http://twitter.com/CougarStats

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                            • Originally posted by atheistcougar View Post
                              Meh, we preferred Macey's...

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                              • Because the meeting finally ended.

                                Any more questions?
                                Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

                                For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

                                Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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