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    I am concerned what my ward will be like once Romney is nominated. I don't doubt that SLC will have its letter about the Church not endorsing any political party, and might even have an additional letter or added wording, but odds are the ward experience is going to be difficult for LDS Democrats this year.

    The reason for this is that there has long been a breakdown with the non-endorsement letter approach. Sure, it helps Intellectual Reserve Inc. maintain its tax exempt status for it's non-profit LDS Church brand, but both local leadership and local membership habitually give political comments a free pass when they come from the Republican direction. The reasons for this bias are many (Ezra Taft Benson, Cleon Skousen, Danites, Anti-Johnston's Army Federalism, Jim Matheson's East-Bench haircut, Obama being less valiant in the pre-existence) but they don't excuse the resulting systematic, alienating behavior. What's more, LDS Democrats (all 300 of them) are likely to be defensive about all of this. Hell, a few of them might even attempt an Occupy Stake Conference.

    Uncharacteristically, my concern is prompting me to do more than just bitch on a message board.

    I am going to suggest to my Bishop that we have a fifth Sunday meeting that addresses the need for the Republican majority in the Church to at least pretend to give a damn about the Telestial-bound, tree-hugging, baby killing, sleeping-on-the-job-union-supporting wankers waiting in the foyer for the Fast Offering money to pay for their 3-D TVs. I'll even volunteer to participate in such a meeting.

    Moreover, when my suggestion is blown off by my Bishop, who is a big wheel in the local Republican party and who doesn't believe in councils because they seem democratic and we live in a republic, I will send a copy of the most egregious examples of political soapboxing in my ward to the Stake President. My letter to the Stake President will include a question about whether or not the ACLU will be interested in the structural Republican bias in Intellectual Reserve Inc.'s LDS Church brand.

    The Stake President will likely take action at that point, even if it is only to forward my letter to the secret, non-cult-like file on me in the Church Office Building.

    I will then be reduced to placing a "Mormons for Obama" sticker on my Toyota and packing the back seat with Victoria's Secret shopping bags. But I will have done something!

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    Last edited by Sleeping in EQ; 01-19-2012, 07:11 AM.
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  • #2
    Keep up the fight.
    Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

    For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

    Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Sleeping in EQ View Post
      I am concerned what my ward will be like once Romney is nominated. I don't doubt that SLC will have its letter about the Church not endorsing any political party, and might even have an additional letter or added wording, but odds are the ward experience is going to be difficult for LDS Democrats this year.

      The reason for this is that there has long been a breakdown with the non-endorsement letter approach. Sure, it helps Intellectual Reserve Inc. maintain its tax exempt status for it's non-profit LDS Church brand, but both local leadership and local membership habitually give political comments a free pass when they come from the Republican direction. The reasons for this bias are many (Ezra Taft Benson, Cleon Skousen, Danites, Anti-Johnston's Army Federalism, Jim Matheson's East-Bench haircut, Obama being less valiant in the pre-existence) but they don't excuse the resulting systematic, alienating behavior. What's more, LDS Democrats (all 300 of them) are likely to be defensive about all of this. Hell, a few of them might even attempt an Occupy Stake Conference.

      Uncharacteristically, my concern is prompting me to do more than just bitch on a message board.

      I am going to suggest to my Bishop that we have a fifth Sunday meeting that addresses the need for the Republican majority in the Church to at least pretend to give a damn about the Telestial-bound, tree-hugging, baby killing, sleeping-on-the-job-union-supporting, wankers waiting in the foyer for the Fast Offering money to pay for their 3-D TVs. I'll even volunteer to participate in such a meeting.

      Moreover, when my suggestion is blown off by my Bishop, who is a big wheel in the local Republican party and who doesn't believe in counsels because they seem democratic and we live in a republic, I will send a copy of the most egregious examples of political soapboxing in my ward to the Stake President. My letter to the Stake President will include a question about whether or not the ACLU will be interested in the structural Republican bias in Intellectual Reserve Inc.'s LDS Church brand.

      The Stake President will likely take action at that point, even if it is only to forward my letter to the secret, non-cult-like file on me in the Church Office Building.

      I will then be reduced to placing a "Mormons for Obama" sticker on my Toyota and packing the back seat with Victoria's Secret shopping bags. But I will have done something!
      I think doing this is definitely going to help you win that important church calling you've been craving.

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      • #4
        It sounds reasonable that unless the Bishop acquiesces to your demands that you start bomb throwing. Make sure to include the Intellectual Reserve schtick. It'll go over quite well in your aftermath interview on Mormon Expressions.

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        • #5
          Perceived persecution.....makes the Pew results even that much more interesting.
          "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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          • #6
            The anti-Romney's at church...it'll be the new blue shirt!
            "They're good. They've always been good" - David Shaw.

            Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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            • #7
              I'm curious, are you in Utah or out?

              My hometeacher is as conservative as they come and I consider myself a Democrat/Independent. We have lively debates when he comes over, however, neither one of us brings it up on Sunday.

              If political talk is dominating your Sunday Meetings, I hope your Bishop addresses the problem.

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              • #8
                I am going to suggest to my Bishop that we have a fifth Sunday meeting that addresses the need for the Republican majority in the Church to at least pretend to give a damn about the Telestial-bound, tree-hugging, baby killing, sleeping-on-the-job-union-supporting wankers waiting in the foyer for the Fast Offering money to pay for their 3-D TVs. I'll even volunteer to participate in such a meeting.
                If you don't quote this suggestion verbatim to the Bishop, you're worthless and weak.
                Everything in life is an approximation.

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                • #9
                  I just ordered me one of those bumber stickers. $5 well spent.
                  "Friendship is the grand fundamental principle of Mormonism" - Joseph Smith Jr.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Sleeping in EQ View Post
                    I am concerned what my ward will be like once Romney is nominated. I don't doubt that SLC will have its letter about the Church not endorsing any political party, and might even have an additional letter or added wording, but odds are the ward experience is going to be difficult for LDS Democrats this year.

                    The reason for this is that there has long been a breakdown with the non-endorsement letter approach. Sure, it helps Intellectual Reserve Inc. maintain its tax exempt status for it's non-profit LDS Church brand, but both local leadership and local membership habitually give political comments a free pass when they come from the Republican direction. The reasons for this bias are many (Ezra Taft Benson, Cleon Skousen, Danites, Anti-Johnston's Army Federalism, Jim Matheson's East-Bench haircut, Obama being less valiant in the pre-existence) but they don't excuse the resulting systematic, alienating behavior. What's more, LDS Democrats (all 300 of them) are likely to be defensive about all of this. Hell, a few of them might even attempt an Occupy Stake Conference.

                    Uncharacteristically, my concern is prompting me to do more than just bitch on a message board.

                    I am going to suggest to my Bishop that we have a fifth Sunday meeting that addresses the need for the Republican majority in the Church to at least pretend to give a damn about the Telestial-bound, tree-hugging, baby killing, sleeping-on-the-job-union-supporting wankers waiting in the foyer for the Fast Offering money to pay for their 3-D TVs. I'll even volunteer to participate in such a meeting.

                    Moreover, when my suggestion is blown off by my Bishop, who is a big wheel in the local Republican party and who doesn't believe in councils because they seem democratic and we live in a republic, I will send a copy of the most egregious examples of political soapboxing in my ward to the Stake President. My letter to the Stake President will include a question about whether or not the ACLU will be interested in the structural Republican bias in Intellectual Reserve Inc.'s LDS Church brand.

                    The Stake President will likely take action at that point, even if it is only to forward my letter to the secret, non-cult-like file on me in the Church Office Building.

                    I will then be reduced to placing a "Mormons for Obama" sticker on my Toyota and packing the back seat with Victoria's Secret shopping bags. But I will have done something!

                    http://www.cafepress.com/newwhitehouse.245577704
                    If Romney is nominated, it will mean that primary elections mean things. He won. Get over it.
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                    • #11
                      SEIQ, I thought your post was funny.
                      "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
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                      • #12
                        FTR, I haven't heard a thing about Romney or the primaries at my ward.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Sleeping in EQ View Post
                          The Stake President will likely take action at that point, even if it is only to forward my letter to the secret, non-cult-like file on me in the Church Office Building.

                          http://www.cafepress.com/newwhitehouse.245577704
                          SEIQ, forget about letters and requests for special lessons. You should just sluff sacrament meeting and put Mo's for Obama bumper stickers on all the vehicles in the church parking lot. That will be more therapeutic for you as well as entertaining. If you live in Utah, it might even make the news.

                          As an aside, are there really secret files on individual mormons at Church HQ? Does the Church share intelligence with the RNC or the Illuminati? If there is one on me could it hurt my credit score?
                          Last edited by wally; 01-19-2012, 08:59 AM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by wally View Post
                            SEIQ, forget about letters and requests for special lessons. You should just sluff sacrament meeting and put Mo's for Obama bumper stickers on all the vehicles in the church parking lot. That will be more therapeutic for you as well as entertaining. If you live in Utah, it might even make the news.

                            As an aside, are there really secret files on individual mormons at Church HQ? Does the Church share intelligence with the RNC or the Illuminati? If there is one on me could it hurt my credit score?
                            Your score is low enough that the church records aren't going to make it any worse.
                            "I think it was King Benjamin who said 'you sorry ass shitbags who have no skills that the market values also have an obligation to have the attitude that if one day you do in fact win the PowerBall Lottery that you will then impart of your substance to those without.'"
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Pelado View Post
                              Your score is low enough that the church records aren't going to make it any worse.
                              Great, so I guess the Church is now sharing my credit score with other members.

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