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No, that's correct. Unfortunately.Originally posted by Jennerstein View Postτὸν ἥλιον ἀνατέλλοντα πλείονες ἢ δυόμενον προσκυνοῦσινComment
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Does anyone remember the old talk, "reluctant to marry?" my bishop at BYU gave a copy to me and my roommates at BYU. We were all around 23 or 24Originally posted by KillerDog View Post
Fitter. Happier. More Productive.
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"Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. UchtdorfComment
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I'm not keen on Elder Cook's "use" of American Grace. I'll elaborate when I have time.We all trust our own unorthodoxies.Comment
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Wow. Sounds like I missed a very nice conference while I was out in the desert. Did Anne Hathaway and James Franco eff it up?Comment
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You probably can make as good of an inference as any for the reasons LDS 20 or 30-somethings are not marrying with the same regularity as past generations. The reasons are multiple and I can only offer my speculations.Originally posted by KillerDog View Post
A lot has changed with demographics and cultural norms from previous generations. In my view, I don't attribute the trend to a rise in immorality as immorality has been around LDS culture for a long time. However, I think a choice to remain single is more widely accepted in American culture. Also, I think men and women are more selective in choosing marriage partners. Both genders want the "full package" and seem willing to wait for it. Those that feel they don't have it or cannot attain it probably fear rejection.
And what's the hurry to get married? I'm reminded of a line fromt the film 500 Days of Summer: We’re young, we live in one of the most beautiful cities in the world; might as well have fun while we can and, save the serious stuff for later.“Not the victory but the action. Not the goal but the game. In the deed the glory.”
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I think they want them to get on with multipli'n and replenishi'n.Originally posted by KillerDog View PostOne of the grandest benefits of the enlightenment was the realization that our moral sense must be based on the welfare of living individuals, not on their immortal souls. Honest and passionate folks can strongly disagree regarding spiritual matters, so it's imperative that we not allow such considerations to infringe on the real happiness of real people.
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I believe religion has much inherent good and has born many good fruits.
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I've been calling my kids Little Bedlamites since conference. I think it actually makes them act worse."Sure, I fought. I had to fight all my life just to survive. They were all against me. Tried every dirty trick to cut me down, but I beat the bastards and left them in the ditch."
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My educated guess is that the are more concerned about keeping them active. The church has placed the family on such a high pedestal that everything revolves around the family. This often times makes single adults (especially those over 30) feel like they don't have a place in the church. It's no secret that if a person is not married by 30 they have a much higher inactivity rate than those married before 30.Originally posted by snowcat View Post"Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. UchtdorfComment
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They are just very good businessmen. New sales are way down so they are focusing on repeat business.Originally posted by snowcat View PostComment
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To pad their retirement fundOriginally posted by UtahDan View Post
"Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. UchtdorfComment
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I can't tell if you're kidding. But I really do think they are missing out on an untapped source of new membership by failing to be more vocal about the virtues of large families. A quiver full of arrows and such!Originally posted by Eddie Jones View PostTo pad their retirement fund
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Originally posted by Eddie Jones View PostI thought of both these reasons when I heard the talk especially the stay active one. I'm not sure what the solution is but if the 30+ crowd could be retained as active members I'm sure the marriage part would work itself out. The fact is for better or worse the church has become the church of the latter day family and those who don't fit that description tend to show themselves out.Originally posted by snowcat View PostComment
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