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  • I am suppose to go camping with my almost-11 year old tomorrow night. It is suppose to be 5 degrees. JeffLebowski has informed me that scout campouts are not good environments, where lots of bad things can happen. I will be telling my wife neither me nor my son should be putting up a tent in Babylon.

    Thanks, Dude.

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    • Looking back, sleepovers were pretty out there. When I was 12 I had a cousin try to get me to smoke pot while we were both at our grandparents house. As a 12 year old Scout on a rookie 50 miler, (Spanish Trail) I learned about masterbation. Never even knew it existed before. At 13 on a sleepover we went out after midnight to a girls sleepover and had a kissing contest.

      I didn't stop my kids from having those experiences though, as I'm sure they ended up doing a lot of the same things at plenty of sleepovers.

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      • Originally posted by Uncle Ted View Post
        I have seen/heard some wild stuff as only a 13-year veteran of the BSA.

        23 years? They told I will get to retire and get my second anointing at 20 years. Are they lying to me?
        Working through the math, I've decided to add my adult BSA experience to my youth BSA experience and thus hit 20+ years.

        To sum up my thinking: I think it odd that some in the church are constructing a Sleepover Bogeyman while at the same time adhering to a church handbook that states that 12-13 year-old boys should camp out (sleepover) every month. There's an element of risk in both but the advantages, IMO, outweigh those risks and kids have a lot of fun doing both. It's part of growing up. However, I caution that I have not seen with my own eyes the horrors on campouts that Jeff Lebowski has witnessed but I can only claim about half of his 23 years of scouting. Perhaps the best has yet to come.
        “Not the victory but the action. Not the goal but the game. In the deed the glory.”
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        • Originally posted by Art Vandelay View Post
          I am suppose to go camping with my almost-11 year old tomorrow night. It is suppose to be 5 degrees. JeffLebowski has informed me that scout campouts are not good environments, where lots of bad things can happen. I will be telling my wife neither me nor my son should be putting up a tent in Babylon.

          Thanks, Dude.
          Originally posted by Paperback Writer View Post
          Working through the math, I've decided to add my adult BSA experience to my youth BSA experience and thus hit 20+ years.

          To sum up my thinking: I think it odd that some in the church are constructing a Sleepover Bogeyman while at the same time adhering to a church handbook that states that 12-13 year-old boys should camp out (sleepover) every month. There's an element of risk in both but the advantages, IMO, outweigh those risks and kids have a lot of fun doing both. It's part of growing up. However, I caution that I have not seen with my own eyes the horrors on campouts that Jeff Lebowski has witnessed but I can only claim about half of his 23 years of scouting. Perhaps the best has yet to come.


          I could not care less if you do both sleepovers and campouts. Knock yourselves out.
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          • Originally posted by Paperback Writer View Post
            Working through the math, I've decided to add my adult BSA experience to my youth BSA experience and thus hit 20+ years.

            To sum up my thinking: I think it odd that some in the church are constructing a Sleepover Bogeyman while at the same time adhering to a church handbook that states that 12-13 year-old boys should camp out (sleepover) every month. There's an element of risk in both but the advantages, IMO, outweigh those risks and kids have a lot of fun doing both. It's part of growing up. However, I caution that I have not seen with my own eyes the horrors on campouts that Jeff Lebowski has witnessed but I can only claim about half of his 23 years of scouting. Perhaps the best has yet to come.
            Crap. I didn't add my youth BSA experience.
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            • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post


              I could not care less if you do both sleepovers and campouts. Knock yourselves out.
              Just don't let your kids go on a sleepover that is outdoors - that malevolent activity that's both a sleepover and a campout.

              Edit - any doubts? reference the film: Stand by Me
              Last edited by Paperback Writer; 11-21-2013, 04:43 PM.
              “Not the victory but the action. Not the goal but the game. In the deed the glory.”
              "All things are measured against Nebraska." falafel

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              • Originally posted by Paperback Writer View Post
                Just don't let your kids go on a sleepover that is outdoors - that malevolent activity that's both a sleepover and a campout.
                Your biggest danger on scout camps is idiot leaders. I watched a scoutmaster lose two kids on a backpacking trip in the Uintah Mountains (luckily they were found right before dark - in t-shirts and shorts) and put several scouts in serious danger on two other occasions. Of course, those were both later treated as faith-promoting experiences. I resolved that I would never let me boys go on a campout with this guy unless I went along also. Your mileage may vary.
                "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                  Your biggest danger on scout camps is idiot leaders. .
                  Amen to that. Most leaders are not idiots, but there are more of them than most people would like to admit.

                  One ward we were in was full of guys trying to be tough guys, and they put kids in positions that they should not have. They would set up homemade zip lines without harnesses that went 30 feet above rocks for example. I would have never let my sons go out with them without me, but they were not old enough in that ward.

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                  • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                    Somebody gets me.

                    I caught some scouts (priests) smoking pot on a campout once. One kid said "Hey, my parents know I do it and they don't care." I told him he was welcome to smoke pot at home, but it is not allowed on a campout. Thereafter, we had a running gag about "high priests" on a "joint activity".
                    The only time in my life where I've gotten remotely high was on my mission. I like this line of thinking...
                    I told him he was a goddamn Nazi Stormtrooper.

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                    • Originally posted by Dwight Schr-ute View Post
                      The only time in my life where I've gotten remotely high was on my mission. I like this line of thinking...
                      Did you pass around a bong during district meetings?

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                      • In the last two weeks I've overheard my 10 year old turning down sleepover invitations as if they were invites to smoke crack. While I'm not a fan of sleepovers, I don't want my kid to mistake overtures of friendship as invitations to snort a line.

                        I need to talk to him about this. He is starting to show some mullah tendencies.
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                        • A few weekends ago, my kid went on a sleepover in another state. She went with a few other friends to visit another friend who had moved. They had a blast. She taught them the basics of archery and apparently had the best sodas and chesseburgers in the southwest. In a month or two, it will be this girl's turn to visit my daughter and her friends in her former neighborhood. The visit will again involve sleepovers. The horror, the horror.
                          “Not the victory but the action. Not the goal but the game. In the deed the glory.”
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