Sleepovers

[San Juan Sun]

http://www.ldsliving.com/story/4518-...ing-sleepovers

Thanks for posting that. It's good to know that it's "somewhat true" that an adult can walk around naked with other kids in their home. Your home, your rules.

[Sullyute]

http://www.ldsliving.com/story/4518-...ing-sleepovers

I like the stake presidend who basically said, "many kids say their fist swear word during a sleep over!"

I do think the idea of having a secret phrase with your kids so that they can get picked up by the parents but save face with their friends.

[cougjunkie]

Thanks for posting that. It's good to know that it's "somewhat true" that an adult can walk around naked with other kids in their home. Your home, your rules.

I like how he used "crank call" definitely an underused term. Crank>prank.

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[Pheidippides]

I like the stake presidend who basically said, "many kids say their fist swear word during a sleep over!"

I do think the idea of having a secret phrase with your kids so that they can get picked up by the parents but save face with their friends.

I think the phrase "pick me the f*** up" probably works for both the SP and for the secret phrase.

[Paperback Writer]

I think the phrase "pick me the f*** up" probably works for both the SP and for the secret phrase.

Isn't that what texting is for?

I've grown weary of the Sleepover Bogeyman. What is a Boy Scout campout, if not a sleepover?

IMO, many LDS are insular and often don't trust their non-LDS neighbors or parents of their kid's friends; not to mention a lack of trust in their children's judgement. And articles like this seem to make it worse. Nevertheless, the article, does mention that parents should meet the host parents prior to the sleepover. That's good advice and common sense. What seems to get overlooked is the positive influence a child can have on another child and the host family during a sleepover.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Isn't that what texting is for?

I've grown weary of the Sleepover Bogeyman. What is a Boy Scout campout, if not a sleepover?

IMO, many LDS are insular and often don't trust their non-LDS neighbors or parents of their kid's friends; not to mention a lack of trust in their children's judgement. And articles like this seem to make it worse. Nevertheless, the article, does mention that parents should meet the host parents prior to the sleepover. That's good advice and common sense. What seems to get overlooked is the positive influence a child can have on another child and the host family during a sleepover.

As a 23-year veteran of the BSA, I think you might want to rethink your comparison. You would be amazed at what I have seen on campouts.

[Eddie]

I loved all of the reasons not to have a sleepover.

For instance: a dad told a scary story. Yep...that could NEVER happen except at a sleepover.

Some kids played some inappropriate video games. Yep...only at sleepovers.

Some kids talked about sex, one even told stories about what he'd seen on a porn channel...only sleepovers.

Then there's the story of the relative from out of town sleeping at their own home - where the child's own parents are there - and ultimately a child being victimized. How does that prove that a child is safer sleeping at home?

I think there are many reasons why *most* out of town guests and relatives should sleep at a hotel. Most of them have nothing to do with anything identified in this article.

Finally - the CPS thing. I did CPS. For a while I was the only one from my office doing the sex abuse cases. There was a lot of abuse that happened. There was a lot of experimentation between kids even. As the article stated - it is overwhelmingly a person known to the child (I never had a case where it was a stranger). But in all of the time I did these investigations I never had a case that involved a sleepover.

I have to admit that it likely increases some risks. Prior to me doing the investigations we did have a case of an EQ counselor sneaking around at his daughters sleepovers and fondling her friends. There were probably 12-15 different girls involved. So I don't deny there are risks.

For the record - we almost never do sleepovers. Our kids can stay out as late as they want (within reason, depending on age), but then they come home to sleep. I'm not worried about their first swear word, but I do think it increases the chances of them doing stupid things. But even that isn't hard and fast - there are an occasional exception.

[Pheidippides]

As a 23-year veteran of the BSA, I think you might want to rethink your comparison. You would be amazed at what I have seen on campouts.

No I wouldn't. I've seen some pretty wildly outrageous things on campouts.

[Eddie]

As a 23-year veteran of the BSA, I think you might want to rethink your comparison. You would be amazed at what I have seen on campouts.

Maybe I'm reading him wrong - but I think that's what he's saying. All of the horror stories of the article and more happen at scout campouts - so why didn't this concerned stake president suggest they be banned as well?

[Donuthole]

Maybe I'm reading him wrong - but I think that's what he's saying. All of the horror stories of the article and more happen at scout campouts - so why didn't this concerned stake president suggest they be banned as well?

Maybe I'm reading JL wrong, but I think that's what he's saying. If all of the same things happen at sleepovers and scout campouts, and if you had seen what JL has seen on campouts, then you would not cease to be weary of the Sleepover Boogeyman; rather, you would have increased concern over both the Sleepover Bogeyman and the Campout Bogeyman.

[Eddie]

Ahh. That makes sense.

Avoid both like the plague.

[smokymountainrain]

Maybe I'm reading JL wrong, but I think that's what he's saying. If all of the same things happen at sleepovers and scout campouts, and if you had seen what JL has seen on campouts, then you would not cease to be weary of the Sleepover Boogeyman; rather, you would have increased concern over both the Sleepover Bogeyman and the Campout Bogeyman.

Lebowski said to rethink the comparison. Based on what you're saying, their isn't anything wrong with the comparison, rather just his lack of weariness about the Sleepover Bogeyman/Camp Bogeyman.

Now I'm confused. Must be all those flu shots.

[Uncle Ted]

As a 23-year veteran of the BSA, I think you might want to rethink your comparison. You would be amazed at what I have seen on campouts.

I have seen/heard some wild stuff as only a 13-year veteran of the BSA.

23 years? They told I will get to retire and get my second anointing at 20 years. Are they lying to me?

[Eddie]

I have seen/heard some wild stuff as only a 13-year veteran of the BSA.

23 years? They told I will get to retire and get my second anointing at 20 years. Are they lying to me?

Everything is bigger in Texas...including your commitment to scouting prior to getting a second anointing.

Sorry - looks like you've got a few years to go yet.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Maybe I'm reading JL wrong, but I think that's what he's saying. If all of the same things happen at sleepovers and scout campouts, and if you had seen what JL has seen on campouts, then you would not cease to be weary of the Sleepover Boogeyman; rather, you would have increased concern over both the Sleepover Bogeyman and the Campout Bogeyman.

Somebody gets me.

I caught some scouts (priests) smoking pot on a campout once. One kid said "Hey, my parents know I do it and they don't care." I told him he was welcome to smoke pot at home, but it is not allowed on a campout. Thereafter, we had a running gag about "high priests" on a "joint activity".