Fired for Cussin'.

[DrumNFeather]

This is salt in a wound for me. I crusaded for years to get people to stop saying infer when they mean imply. But go have a look a Merriam Websters. It has been so thoroughly misused at this point that one meaning of infer is now a synonym for imply.

Now you're beginning to understand how I feel about "whole nother"

[wuapinmon]

Ethics are 100% subjective on some level, so I generally reject blanket statements of "this is unethical". And in my hierarchy of ethical concerns about BYU, this ranks somewhere between ass pimple and oversized mole.

I'm not worried about it either, but I think that creek and Jeff are hammering too hard against Robin's level-headed assertion.

Also, we can reject blanket statements, but I don't think we all want to waste time with me going Socratic method on ethics here to show the point. Besides, I've got a bonfire party to stage.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Ethics are 100% subjective on some level, so I generally reject blanket statements of "this is unethical". And in my hierarchy of ethical concerns about BYU, this ranks somewhere between ass pimple and oversized mole.

The irony is that I could fill several threads about legitimately unethical things done at BYU. I am not saying that BYU is an inherently unethical institution (not by a long shot), but as with any large institution they screw up from time to time.

[RobinFinderson]

Fascinating how your position has evolved over the course of the thread. First they were unfairly calling him a liar. No you are simply opting for a different (longer) wording of the response where the part I bolded clearly says the same thing that they said ("There is more to the story").

I will grant you that I have 'latched on' to that statement which is not an official quote from Ms. Jenkins. If the article has misrepresented BYU's policy, and the actual policy is essentially "BYU will publicly comment on people's personnel records in a manner that seems fair to the BYU administration," then my whole argument goes down the crapper.

But I think there is a material difference between what Ms. Jenkins said about Devine, that "the account being given is inaccurate and incomplete," and anything I wrote in the hypothetical response to the porn-surfing-prof. Strictly speaking, Ms. Jenkins isn't calling Devine a liar, but she does seem to be implying that he (intentionally?) misrepresenting the situation, and that he was fired for a pattern of misconduct.

Anyhow, if you can't see the material difference between what I wrote and what Ms. Jenkins stated, then that explains our difference of opinion here. That others see it my way, and that others agree that it would have been more professional to simply say 'no comment,' at least I can see that I'm making sense to some.

I would also agree that the hiring or firing of a student package loader isn't a big deal, but sometimes there are life lessons to learn from mole hills.

This is a situation where the University would have been better off zipping their lip and letting the official protocol work things out.

[TripletDaddy]

Just to clarify, I only wanted an opportunity to bring up Boylen's funny drop.

[Pheidippides]

I'm not worried about it either, but I think that creek and Jeff are hammering too hard against Robin's level-headed assertion.

Also, we can reject blanket statements, but I don't think we all want to waste time with me going Socratic method on ethics here to show the point. Besides, I've got a bonfire party to stage.

You are walking a dangerous line, thinking about going Socratic on a board full of lawyers.

[wuapinmon]

You are walking a dangerous line, thinking about going Socratic on a board full of lawyers.

Of course, but Socrates was a teacher, as am I. The bonfire tonight was epic, by the way, fueled by 20 mph sustained winds. As soon as the fire marshall said I could light it, I blitzed it straight to the pyre. Within 10 seconds of the first pinestraw igniting, the fire was burning like it had gas on it. Within a minute, the entire pile was lit. Within three minutes it was shooting over 20 feet away of dragon's breath flames.

All stood by in awe and amazement. Best bonfire I have ever seen. EVER.

[Goatnapper'96]

With the high concentration of lawyers and academic wankers on this venue there have been a hell of alot of gay threads, but this one is the Lady Ga-Ga of gayness.

[RobinFinderson]

With the high concentration of lawyers and academic wankers on this venue there have been a hell of alot of gay threads, but this one is the Lady Ga-Ga of gayness.

That is just because creek and Jeff need a meat dress to deal with the swelling from their ass-kicking.

[UtahDan]

I think this whole discussion is best put in the perspective that the stakes are pretty low.

I could be wrong, but I see what Robin is saying as a correct, but very small tweak or critique. It has no larger implications beyond the one or two people directly involved. The truthfulness of the church and the institutional integrity of BYU don't hang in the balance.

Low stakes critique------->vigorous defense---------vigorous rejoinder--------->accusation that something small has been blown out of proportion.

[RobinFinderson]

I think this whole discussion is best put in the perspective that the stakes are pretty low.

I could be wrong, but I see what Robin is saying as a correct, but very small tweak or critique. It has no larger implications beyond the one or two people directly involved. The truthfulness of the church and the institutional integrity of BYU don't hang in the balance.

Low stakes critique------->vigorous defense---------vigorous rejoinder--------->accusation that something small has been blown out of proportion.

Yep. You are right all around. The whole thread, as far as I am concerned, was just the soup o' the day. I figured I would have a bowl, because that was on the menu, and because I had some time. This one was all 'sport debate.' I figure if ESPN currently features competitive poker, maybe some day I have a chance of making the cover of SI. Plus I figure that any opportunity to conjure in minds of others the image of Lebowski and a monkey in a meat dress, well that has to count for something.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Plus I figure that any opportunity to conjure in minds of others the image of Lebowski and a monkey in a meat dress, well that has to count for something.

[RobinFinderson]

Don't sweat it Jeff. I know it is hard to believe today, but the swelling should go down by Sunday.

[creekster]

Don't sweat it Jeff. I know it is hard to believe today, but the swelling should go down by Sunday.

Your water tightedness knows no bounds, it seems.

And if anyone doubts that, they can just ask you.

[RobinFinderson]

Your water tightedness knows no bounds, it seems.

And if anyone doubts that, they can just ask you.

Dude, that just isn't funny at all. Didn't you get the memo? We're done with the substance and now were just flinging random insults and claiming victory in an amusing way. You can't just repeat yourself when it comes to talking shit. Now come on, monkey man, I know you can fling poo better than that!