Fired for Cussin'.

[UtahDan]

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=14827441

BYU sport fans better hope this isn't really an honor code violation as is being suggested!

[FMCoug]

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=14827441

BYU sport fans better hope this isn't really an honor code violation as is being suggested!

Seems like the BYU comment about it being "inaccurate and incomplete" is likely what is going on here. I could see the guy getting a warning for that if some one complained. But not fired. Seems more likely it would be a "last straw" type of thing.

On the other hand, the comments in support of the firing/breaking the honor code don't shock me either.

I have witnessed swearing in meetings in the COB ... no firings that I'm aware of.

[kccougar]

Sounds like someone's supervisor got an answer to his prayers and acted on it.

[RobinFinderson]

BYU officials say student employment records are confidential so they can't talk about details. But they say Devine's account is inaccurate and incomplete

This quote is an ethical lapse. The employer should either assume that Devine has invited open discussion about the incident when he presented false public testimony, or it should recognize that impugning Devine's description would itself be 'talk about details' (describing what happened would obviously be 'details,' but stating what didn't happen is also details), and therefore the right thing to do would be to not comment at all.

Open up or shut up, both could be defended on ethical grounds, but this middle position of smearing Devine's integrity is clearly unethical.

[Non Sequitur]

I have witnessed swearing in meetings in the COB ... no firings that I'm aware of.

I thought all meetings in the COB took place in the cone of silence.

[UtahDan]

This quote is an ethical lapse. The employer should either assume that Devine has invited open discussion about the incident when he presented false public testimony, or it should recognize that impugning Devine's description would itself be 'talk about details' (describing what happened would obviously be 'details,' but stating what didn't happen is also details), and therefore the right thing to do would be to not comment at all.

Open up or shut up, both could be defended on ethical grounds, but this middle position of smearing Devine's integrity is clearly unethical.

I think it is good policy for any entity to, as a rule, not discuss personnel matters. Too much risk for virtually no benefit. Hard to fault BYU for that.

[LiveCoug]

What the student failed to disclose was that he was naked and surfing porn as he was taking the cat off the truck.....

[TripletDaddy]

Good for BYU for doing the right thing even at such an inconvenient time....so many deliveries need to be made this time of year and Devine was a critical member of the delivery crew. BYU is standing up for its morals and values, which is rare these days. I predict more positive press over this incident. While I hope BYU allows Devine to ride along in the delivery truck, it would not be appropriate to allow him to actually deliver any packages or unload anything off the truck until next semester.

[Eddie]

This quote is an ethical lapse. The employer should either assume that Devine has invited open discussion about the incident when he presented false public testimony, or it should recognize that impugning Devine's description would itself be 'talk about details' (describing what happened would obviously be 'details,' but stating what didn't happen is also details), and therefore the right thing to do would be to not comment at all.

Open up or shut up, both could be defended on ethical grounds, but this middle position of smearing Devine's integrity is clearly unethical.

I think it is good policy for any entity to, as a rule, not discuss personnel matters. Too much risk for virtually no benefit. Hard to fault BYU for that.

When I used to work for the state doing child abuse investigations - it would get frustrating when abusive parents would run to the press crying about how they had been mistreated, misunderstood, marginalized, etc.

I was always so frustrated that the only response from the state was "no comment".

Just once I would've LOVED to ask the parent to sign a release and then discuss openly what was found during the investigation, what evidence there was to support the findings, what had happened in court, what the parents had told me that I had a recording of, etc. Could've made for a good time.

But no...the answer was always "we can't comment due to client confidentiality".

[RC Vikings]

I have witnessed swearing in meetings in the COB ... no firings that I'm aware of.

Did they throw out an F-bomb?

[Borderline Divine]

Good for BYU for doing the right thing even at such an inconvenient time....so many deliveries need to be made this time of year and Devine was a critical member of the delivery crew. BYU is standing up for its morals and values, which is rare these days. I predict more positive press over this incident. While I hope BYU allows Devine to ride along in the delivery truck, it would not be appropriate to allow him to actually deliver any packages or unload anything off the truck until next semester.

[RobinFinderson]

I think it is good policy for any entity to, as a rule, not discuss personnel matters. Too much risk for virtually no benefit. Hard to fault BYU for that.

Except by commenting that Devine's account is inaccurate they have discussed personal matters, and broken their own policy. Ergo the ethical lapse. They want to have the benefits of calling Devine a liar without having to support that claim.

[UtahDan]

Good for BYU for doing the right thing even at such an inconvenient time....so many deliveries need to be made this time of year and Devine was a critical member of the delivery crew. BYU is standing up for its morals and values, which is rare these days. I predict more positive press over this incident. While I hope BYU allows Devine to ride along in the delivery truck, it would not be appropriate to allow him to actually deliver any packages or unload anything off the truck until next semester.

I almost forgot, but here is some nice press BYU received in my local paper yesterday. I think all of the potential LDS athletes in my community are still safely within the BYU camp.

http://www2.starexponent.com/news/20...ter-ar-916608/

But out of all of this "madness," there is still one shining example of sports played as a game, of sup-porting fans, and of honor above the desire to win. The NCAA bombards us over these few weeks re-minding us that most of their athletes will go pro in something other than sports - one of their member organizations seems to have listened: BYU.

...

I may not have filled out a bracket, but I am cheering for BYU.

I'm rooting for Jimmer, his teammates who have stepped up to fill a void, and for the BYU fans - most of whom will go pro in something other than buying gifts for the college athletes they support.

[TripletDaddy]

That is a ni-ce art-icle and very touch-ing.

[UtahDan]

Except by commenting that Devine's account is inaccurate they have discussed personal matters, and broken their own policy. Ergo the ethical lapse. They want to have the benefits of calling Devine a liar without having to support that claim.

Actually, that is a good point. "We can't talk about it. Also, he is wrong but we won't tell you why because, like we said, we can't talk about it." Just don't talk if that is your policy.