Fired for Cussin'.

[UtahDan]

That is a ni-ce art-icle and very touch-ing.

Help me out here, I'm lost.

[Lost Student]

Help me out here, I'm lost.

Go Cou-Gars!

(read the article, then you will be found)

[TripletDaddy]

Help me out here, I'm lost.

re-ad the art-icle.

[Top Ute]

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=14827441

BYU sport fans better hope this isn't really an honor code violation as is being suggested!

Shoddy reporting. When BYU tells me that Devine's firing isn't the result of just this one action, I go back to Devine for clarification. If he insists there is no past history that would warrant such an action, I have him sign an affidavit allowing BYU to open up and discuss his personnel file to the media.

[marsupial]

Shoddy reporting. When BYU tells me that Devine's firing isn't the result of just this one action, I go back to Devine for clarification. If he insists there is no past history that would warrant such an action, I have him sign an affidavit allowing BYU to open up and discuss his personnel file to the media.

Honestly, it seems like a non-story to me. Some guy drops the f-bomb and claims that's why he got fired. His employer says no, there's more to it. Really, who cares? Must be a slow news day.

[NorthwestUteFan]

But no...the answer was always "we can't comment due to client confidentiality".

For what it is worth (and I am going WAY old-school on this one), this is part of what brutalized Nixon in the presidential debate against Kennedy. Of course Kennedy looked better, spoke better, and didn't sweat.

But Nixon was the VP and knew certain things which he was not allowed to comment on. Kennedy was a senator and knew many of the same things, but was held to a lower standard due to lower security clearances. When certain national security questions were brought up Nixon hemmed and hawed and muttered his way through the answer. Kennedy, however, was succinct and said things Nixon was bound by law not to say. Kennedy was looser with the facts in his description of the events but came off as far more presidential simply because he was able to talk (and had better hair).

In this case BYU should remain Nixonian and keep their mouths shut, as required by non-disclosure law*, while ignoring Devine should be allowed to shoot off his mouth, although the info may be incorrect.


As others stated, 1) this is a non-story; and 2) an easy way to eliminate Devine as a credible source of info is to get the affadivit allowing the opening of his file. Then again, that points back to #1, and it isn't worth the thought, let alone the time and paperwork involved.

*or is it merely a school rule? department policy? I would suspect that federal Privacy Act would come into play here, but do not know for certain.

[UtahDan]

re-ad the art-icle.

Ha. Yes, I see now.

[Eddie]

Honestly, it seems like a non-story to me. Some guy drops the f-bomb and claims that's why he got fired. His employer says no, there's more to it. Really, who cares? Must be a slow news day.

I think the only reason it was a story is because they threw in that last line about cussing being against the schools honor code, allegedly.

[UtahDan]

Honestly, it seems like a non-story to me. Some guy drops the f-bomb and claims that's why he got fired. His employer says no, there's more to it. Really, who cares? Must be a slow news day.

I'll just assume you are taking aim at the people who wrote the story and not the person who thought it was funny and linked it here.

[myboynoah]

Good for BYU for doing the right thing even at such an inconvenient time....so many deliveries need to be made this time of year and Devine was a critical member of the delivery crew. BYU is standing up for its morals and values, which is rare these days. I predict more positive press over this incident. While I hope BYU allows Devine to ride along in the delivery truck, it would not be appropriate to allow him to actually deliver any packages or unload anything off the truck until next semester.

Back in the day, these things were swept under the rug. I was once reported for giving someone the finger during one of my routes as a deliveryman for the campus laundry. My boss asked about it and told me to be more careful. I knew then that I was in a protected class. I would never be let go, even after jamming another delivery van in the entrance of the underground parking of an apartment complex south of campus. That was during the critical Christmas break blanket run.

Those were the glory days.

[hello]

Good for BYU for doing the right thing even at such an inconvenient time....so many deliveries need to be made this time of year and Devine was a critical member of the delivery crew. BYU is standing up for its morals and values, which is rare these days. I predict more positive press over this incident. While I hope BYU allows Devine to ride along in the delivery truck, it would not be appropriate to allow him to actually deliver any packages or unload anything off the truck until next semester.

This was awesome!

Except by commenting that Devine's account is inaccurate they have discussed personal matters, and broken their own policy. Ergo the ethical lapse. They want to have the benefits of calling Devine a liar without having to support that claim.

I totally agree with this comment.

Can you tell I have no idea how to quote two different comments in my reply?! I'll figure it out eventually.

[BigPiney]

Can you tell I have no idea how to quote two different comments in my reply?! I'll figure it out eventually.

I think I have done it once or twice. Too confusing for me.

[smokymountainrain]

Open up or shut up, both could be defended on ethical grounds, but this middle position of smearing Devine's integrity is clearly unethical.

smearing Devine's integrity

uh...

[SuperGabers]

That is a ni-ce art-icle and very touch-ing.

I love our local paper. I wish I could be its editor.

[RobinFinderson]

uh...

S/M/L/XL, the size and significance of the ethical lapse is beside the point. Also, it may be of little significance to us, but it might be a pretty big deal for Mr. Devine, to have an employer that is ostensibly an extension of his church call him a liar in the public square has got to suck.