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  • LA Ute
    Receiver of Memory
    • Nov 2008
    • 19512

    #31
    Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
    I love the fact no one would take even a single element seriously. It's very affirming.
    “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
    ― W.H. Auden


    "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
    -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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    • il Padrino Ute
      Junior Member
      • Nov 2008
      • 19161

      #32
      Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
      Very good. lol!
      "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill


      "I only know what I hear on the news." - Dear Leader

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      • RobinFinderson
        Banned
        • Nov 2008
        • 10548

        #33
        Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
        I love the fact no one would take even a single element seriously. It's very affirming.
        I thought it looked like a fine plan. Only under such a plan would I ever consider sending Little Robin to his father's alma mater.

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        • Solon
          Lost in the flood
          • Nov 2008
          • 5747

          #34
          Originally posted by RobinFinderson View Post
          I thought it looked like a fine plan. Only under such a plan would I ever consider sending Little Robin to his father's alma mater.
          The plan is all wrong! If the BYU is going to go the Bob Jones University route, it had better get its act together. They've got a long ways to go.

          Although, at least Bob Jones U. is sorry for its racist past.
          Last edited by Solon; 02-17-2009, 02:47 PM.
          "More crazy people to Provo go than to any other town in the state."
          -- Iron County Record. 23 August, 1912. (http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lc...23/ed-1/seq-4/)

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          • SeattleUte
            Faith crisis consultant
            • Nov 2008
            • 20837

            #35
            Originally posted by Solon View Post
            The plan is all wrong! If the BYU is going to go the Bob Jones University route, it had better get its act together. They've got a long ways to go.

            Although, at least Bob Jones U. is sorry for its racist past.
            Good find! So even BJU has apologized.
            When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

            --Jonathan Swift

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            • TripletDaddy
              sweet triple
              • Nov 2008
              • 58186

              #36
              Hmmm....let's see.....charismatic guy gets up, presents a new, radical plan and outlines the plan as a roadmap for a return to glory; the charismatic guy takes pleasure in the rejection of the new, radical plan; sheepish fencesitters like robinfinderson agree with the new, rejected plan and subsequently follow this charismatic leader......where have I seen this before?
              Fitter. Happier. More Productive.

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              • SeattleUte
                Faith crisis consultant
                • Nov 2008
                • 20837

                #37
                Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
                Hmmm....let's see.....charismatic guy gets up, presents a new, radical plan and outlines the plan as a roadmap for a return to glory; the charismatic guy takes pleasure in the rejection of the new, radical plan; sheepish fencesitters like robinfinderson agree with the new, rejected plan and subsequently follow this charismatic leader......where have I seen this before?
                BJU has apologized. Have you known this all along as you and others have mocked me for demanding BYU apologize?
                When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

                --Jonathan Swift

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                • RobinFinderson
                  Banned
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 10548

                  #38
                  Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
                  Hmmm....let's see.....charismatic guy gets up, presents a new, radical plan and outlines the plan as a roadmap for a return to glory; the charismatic guy takes pleasure in the rejection of the new, radical plan; sheepish fencesitters like robinfinderson agree with the new, rejected plan and subsequently follow this charismatic leader......where have I seen this before?
                  Sweet! Does this mean I was black in the pre-existence? Because that would sure explain a lot.

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                  • SeattleUte
                    Faith crisis consultant
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 20837

                    #39
                    Originally posted by RobinFinderson View Post
                    Sweet! Does this mean I was black in the pre-existence? Because that would sure explain a lot.
                    That was POLICY, not DOCTRINE. The new policy is gays were the fence sitters. That's why they got the gay gene. Does that explain a lot too?
                    When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

                    --Jonathan Swift

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                    • RobinFinderson
                      Banned
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 10548

                      #40
                      Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
                      That was POLICY, not DOCTRINE. The new policy is gays were the fence sitters. That's why they got the gay gene. Does that explain a lot too?
                      Hey man, the hymn says there is no end to race, not taste.

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                      • TripletDaddy
                        sweet triple
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 58186

                        #41
                        Originally posted by RobinFinderson View Post
                        Sweet! Does this mean I was black in the pre-existence? Because that would sure explain a lot.
                        I was referring to Bluto's stirring speech to the dejected Deltas in Animal House. What are you talking about? What does the pre-existence or being black have to do with any of this?
                        Fitter. Happier. More Productive.

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                        • TripletDaddy
                          sweet triple
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 58186

                          #42
                          Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
                          BJU has apologized. Have you known this all along as you and others have mocked me for demanding BYU apologize?
                          You may have a point. After all, now that BJU has apologized, the whole world no longer views that school as a right-winged neo-con factory for zealots. The apology really shattered perceptions.
                          Fitter. Happier. More Productive.

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                          • SeattleUte
                            Faith crisis consultant
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 20837

                            #43
                            Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
                            You may have a point. After all, now that BJU has apologized, the whole world no longer views that school as a right-winged neo-con factory for zealots. The apology really shattered perceptions.
                            Bluto?! I will not be made a fool of.

                            I miss terribly Waters calling me Lucifer with all the sincerity he could muster.
                            When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

                            --Jonathan Swift

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                            • wuapinmon
                              Soul Plumber
                              • Dec 2008
                              • 30711

                              #44
                              Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
                              I love the fact no one would take even a single element seriously. It's very affirming.
                              I disagree with you on some things, but I will agree that the President of the University should not be a GA. It makes him a yes-man to the Brethren.
                              "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
                              The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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                              • New Mexican Disaster
                                Suomalainen
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 4549

                                #45
                                Originally posted by Babs View Post
                                If that's the case, then how sincere is the faith to begin with?

                                Or are you strictly speaking pragmatically in terms of what is financially advantageous for the Church?
                                Faith??? Faith??? How can we talk about FAITH??? (said in the voice of Jim Mora in his playoffs rant).

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