Lex Mormonum: The Oaks Years

[Moliere]

I’ve gone from hating the change to liking it to being ambivalent. I don’t care anymore. I just want god to make up his mind on church meetings. I will say that this will make filling time when a EQ teacher doesn’t prepare much easier.

[Pelado]

My wife is freaking out about this change. I think it will be fine.

My wife is not a fan. She wants to go back to 3-hour church.

I don't like the change at all. Not that that matters...but we have some fantastic lessons and pretty deep discussions in the Priest Quorum. Between prayers, AP theme, mobile sacrament assignments, Mutual discussion...I may only have 10-12 minutes of lesson time. Can I teach a lesson in that time? Sure. Are we going to be able to have a meaningful discussion about topic items? Probably not. So as someone mentioned....these are about to become messages, not lessons.

I will be curious to see the new FSoY manual that I will be teaching out of.

Having YM/YW every other week made going out of town for stuff fairly easy. We planned it on the off weeks. Didn't need to find a sub. Farming season is in full swing here. We have lost half of our leadership for the next 6 months to work stuff. This wont really impact us this year, but it will impact us next year.

Let's see how it goes.

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/...youth?lang=eng

[Joe Public]

I work right across the street from JITB.

I saw the signage and wondered. It was my first time driving U.S. 395. You live in a calendar photograph.

[Donuthole]

I like the change. YM/YW leaders getting to see the youth each week instead of every other week is going to be very helpful for connection and creating a meaningful bond. It will also make it easier for tracking when youth aren't coming regularly. And I think 15 mins is the perfect about of time to teach a gospel principle and drill down on it sufficiently.

[All-American]

I've had callings with both the Sunday school (teacher) and Elder's Quorum (counselor) since the change to the two hour block. In both cases, we used, and probably needed, the full hour. I think it will be tough to do anything productive with either half of the second hour.

That said, Sunday School being held every other week meant that you covered less than half of the scriptures you were supposed to be studying. As much as we'd love to think otherwise, the instruction going on at home is not covering the gaps.

Hopefully bishops take seriously the language saying that sacrament meetings can be held to 60 minutes or less. One youth speaker, musical number/hymn, and one adult speaker is all you need. End at five to, or even ten to, so people get to the next room.

[Pelado]

I've had callings with both the Sunday school (teacher) and Elder's Quorum (counselor) since the change to the two hour block. In both cases, we used, and probably needed, the full hour. I think it will be tough to do anything productive with either half of the second hour.

That said, Sunday School being held every other week meant that you covered less than half of the scriptures you were supposed to be studying. As much as we'd love to think otherwise, the instruction going on at home is not covering the gaps.

Hopefully bishops take seriously the language saying that sacrament meetings can be held to 60 minutes or less. One youth speaker, musical number/hymn, and one adult speaker is all you need. End at five to, or even ten to, so people get to the next room.

My only callings since the switch to 2-hour church are Sunday School teacher (for youth in high school), and my current callings of Family History Consultant, and Primary teacher - both of which are with my wife. This change doesn't really affect either of my current callings.

The Sunday School teacher calling was pretty cush. I had a co-teacher that wasn't my wife, so we would alternate lessons. With only having Sunday School every other week and only having to teach every other class, I was typically only having to prepare a lesson once per month. My son was in the class and sometimes my daughters would get combined in even though they were in the middle school class at the time. I expected that they hated when I was teaching but they told me they actually preferred my lessons to what they would get from their regular teacher(s). I think part of that was because I only had to do one lesson per month.

We've been doing 25ish minute lessons in our Primary class for the last couple of years and, while the time flies by, it's definitely still possible to have fun, get to know the kids, and actually get in some spirituality, too. But it does require more focus.

[Green Monstah]

Disagree that 25 mins is not enough. It’s perfect.

[Donuthole]

Yikes. Double yikes. Triple yikes.

Dear Brothers and Sisters:

To help young women understand their divine place in God’s work, to represent their spiritual dignity as His beloved daughters, and to highlight their progression, we are pleased to announce the following age-group names for young women, beginning in the year they turn 12:

• Builder of Faith, young women turning 12 or 13—a Builder of Faith helps build God’s kingdom through her faith in Christ, steadfast witness, and actions that uplift and encourage others (see Ephesians 2:20).
• Messenger of Hope, young women turning 14 or 15—a Messenger of Hope carries Christ’s message of hope to the weary, speaking peace, sharing comfort, and lifting hearts through the power of the Spirit (see Mosiah 18:8–9).
• Gatherer of Light, young women turning 16 or older—a Gatherer of Light trusts divine guidance and draws strength from covenants as she seeks, gathers, and reflects God’s light (see Doctrine and Covenants 50:24).

Bishoprics and adult Young Women leaders may decide how to organize the young women for instruction and activities. When needed, age-groups may meet together.

No matter how the young women are organized for instruction and activities, they are referred to by their age-group names, and each age-group has a called president. Where possible, one or two counselors and a secretary serve with each president.



Sincerely,

The First Presidency
Dallin H. Oaks
Henry B. Eyring
D. Todd Christofferson

[The_Tick]

Yikes. Double yikes. Triple yikes.

I'm currently having this discussion with my wife. How was Marketing not brought in?

Just like the change from Home Teaching to Ministering. The verbiage is awkward. "Hi, I'm Bro. Tick, I am your Home Teacher". Smooth. "Hi, I'm Bro. Tick. I'm your Ministering person..."

This doesn't roll off of the tongue, and it just isn't going to be used.

What class are you in?

I'm in Messenger of Hope.

[Donuthole]

I'm currently having this discussion with my wife. How was Marketing not brought in?

Just like the change from Home Teaching to Ministering. The verbiage is awkward. "Hi, I'm Bro. Tick, I am your Home Teacher". Smooth. "Hi, I'm Bro. Tick. I'm your Ministering person..."

This doesn't roll off of the tongue, and it just isn't going to be used.

What class are you in?

I'm in Messenger of Hope.

. . . we lay our hands upon your head and set you apart as the President of the Messenger of Hopes . . . er Messengers of Hope . . . er Messenger of Hope class in the Meadows Ward . . .

But that issue notwithstanding, I greatly dislike how . . . um . . cultish these sound. Like, I'm sure nobody in that room has seen The Handmaid's Tale, but therein lies the problem. These evoke Gilead vibes, praise be.

[The_Tick]

. . . we lay our hands upon your head and set you apart as the President of the Messenger of Hopes . . . er Messengers of Hope . . . er Messenger of Hope class in the Meadows Ward . . .

But that issue notwithstanding, I greatly dislike how . . . um . . cultish these sound. Like, I'm sure nobody in that room has seen The Handmaid's Tale, but therein lies the problem. These evoke Gilead vibes, praise be.

I haven't seen that show, but my first thought was "this sounds very FLDS-ish". But I didn't want to lead out with that.

[Moliere]

Quadruple yikes. Burn it down and start over.

[Northwestcoug]

Hey those new monikers actually sound like good fantasy book characters.

[chrisrenrut]

Hey those new monikers actually sound like good fantasy book characters.

Ha ha! I wonder if Brother Sanderson was consulted.

Now let’s do the AP quorums.
Bringers of Bread
Preparers of Covenants
Speakers of Blessings

[Jeff Lebowski]

Haha. I had the same reaction. What in the world were they thinking?