Lex Mormonum: The Oaks Years

[Shaka]

If it wasn't for Pathways, I wouldn't have a BA and an MA now. I wouldn't be a School Psychologist, I wouldn't be living in Idaho next to the grandkids.

I went to college for 8 years and have zero debt from my undergrad thanks to Pathways. (I had debt from my MA, but we have since paid that off.)

Your case is one of the reasons I think so fondly of the program. The other is my soft spot for Africa and others in the third world who have been shut out of higher education. Pathways has been amazing for these people. It's the ultimate hand-up rather than hand-out.

Whenever I start getting hassled about how the church doesn't do enough for charity by one of my disaffected or ex-LDS friends, I bring up Pathways, and it usually shuts them up. Half the time, they don't even comprehend what it is and its impact.

Pathways is one of the things that makes me proud to be LDS.

[MartyFunkhouser]

Gilbert was instrumental in creating the Pathways program. In my view, that program is one of the Church's greatest gifts to the world. I judge Gilbert by that.

Credit where credit is due, Pathways is a great program.

I think that Clark Gilbert could make a greater contribution though. If only he could convince BYU to stop giving out large NIL checks, he would become a hero. A God Damn Hero!!!

[The_Tick]

Your case is one of the reasons I think so fondly of the program. The other is my soft spot for Africa and others in the third world who have been shut out of higher education. Pathways has been amazing for these people. It's the ultimate hand-up rather than hand-out.

Whenever I start getting hassled about how the church doesn't do enough for charity by one of my disaffected or ex-LDS friends, I bring up Pathways, and it usually shuts them up. Half the time, they don't even comprehend what it is and its impact.

Pathways is one of the things that makes me proud to be LDS.

I am not sure if they do it anymore...but one of my favorite things during the initial year in Pathways was when you are paired with a non-native English speaker for a class. You get on Skype (at the time) and you spend an hour or two per week working on homework together. We help them with their English and we work together. I loved it. I have since lost contact with my dude, but it was a fantastic 6 months. A son trying to make his parents proud (his dad worked for Church Security in Central Mexico). It is a form a service.

Now that I think about it...I wonder if there is a program through BYU-I that I could still participate in that. I loved it.

[Bo Diddley]

If it wasn't for Pathways, I wouldn't have a BA and an MA now. I wouldn't be a School Psychologist, I wouldn't be living in Idaho next to the grandkids.

I went to college for 8 years and have zero debt from my undergrad thanks to Pathways. (I had debt from my MA, but we have since paid that off.)

I love this so much. And totally agree with Shaka on the program.

[Shaka]

Credit where credit is due, Pathways is a great program.

I think that Clark Gilbert could make a greater contribution though. If only he could convince BYU to stop giving out large NIL checks, he would become a hero. A God Damn Hero!!!

Nobody is perfect.

Maybe you should go on Mormon Stories and voice your concerns.

Oh wait...they are going to have to rename it. One more victory for President Oaks and his litigious nature.

[Pelado]

I am not sure if they do it anymore...but one of my favorite things during the initial year in Pathways was when you are paired with a non-native English speaker for a class. You get on Skype (at the time) and you spend an hour or two per week working on homework together. We help them with their English and we work together. I loved it. I have since lost contact with my dude, but it was a fantastic 6 months. A son trying to make his parents proud (his dad worked for Church Security in Central Mexico). It is a form a service.

Now that I think about it...I wonder if there is a program through BYU-I that I could still participate in that. I loved it.

That's pretty awesome.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Jim Rasband replacing Clark Gilbert. I am so happy. He will be amazing.

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[YOhio]

Jim Rasband replacing Clark Gilbert. I am so happy. He will be amazing.

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That’s great to see your enthusiasm. Explain a bit more why you think he’s such a great fit. I don’t know anything about him.

[Jeff Lebowski]

That’s great to see your enthusiasm. Explain a bit more why you think he’s such a great fit. I don’t know anything about him.

Former dean of BYU law school then he was the BYU Academic VP for a few years before being called as a GA. Gilbert ruffled a ton of feathers with his direct and aggressive style. Rasband has a completely different personality.

He and his wife are friends of ours, so I am biased.

[Donuthole]

Rasband is a great dude. He was a prof at the JRube during my time there. One of those guys you meet and immediately think “oh, this guy gets it. Doesn’t take himself too seriously, but knows his stuff inside and out. And isn’t an awkward weirdo. Normal guy. Nice.”

FWIW, Kevin Worthen was the other BYU prof who was like that.

[MartyFunkhouser]

Former dean of BYU law school then he was the BYU Academic VP for a few years before being called as a GA. Gilbert ruffled a ton of feathers with his direct and aggressive style. Rasband has a completely different personality.

He and his wife are friends of ours, so I am biased.

That is a really nice and charitable way of describing his approach.

[Jeff Lebowski]

That is a really nice and charitable way of describing his approach.

[Copelius]

Rasband is a great dude. He was a prof at the JRube during my time there. One of those guys you meet and immediately think “oh, this guy gets it. Doesn’t take himself too seriously, but knows his stuff inside and out. And isn’t an awkward weirdo. Normal guy. Nice.”

FWIW, Kevin Worthen was the other BYU prof who was like that.

Interesting. I looked at them as opposites, but I only got to know Worthen through his associate Dean enforcer emails, and actually had Rasband as a professor.

[Donuthole]

Interesting. I looked at them as opposites, but I only got to know Worthen through his associate Dean enforcer emails, and actually had Rasband as a professor.

They are definitely not the same dude. But they both had those things in common: Relatively laid back, masters of their craft, easy enough to talk to. Kind.

Compare them with, say, James Gordon (nice, but awkward AF) or Scharfs (Not that nice, pretty awkward, and SUUUUUUper proud that he went to Yale law) and you see why I lump them in together.

Rasband went to Harvard Law, but it's the least interesting thing about him. Which says something, because most people would make that their identity.

[grapevine]

I think John A Widstoe and Hal were the only apostle to serve simultaneously as commissioner of education. Hal was commissioner of education before being a ga. As Seventy after release from pb. Gordon told him we will let you know when you will be replaced. Was Ed commissioner and apostle ten years.

William Rolfe Kerr remained commissioner of education after becoming emeritus ga. Was called temple president shortly after. Emeritus ga”s haven’t served as temple presidents for many years though.

Cecil Samuelson served as byu president a couple years after being granted emeritus status. Joseph Merrill, Neal A. Maxwell and Jeffrey R. Holland were commissioners of education before becoming apostles and were not general authorities at the time.

Was there mandatory military service mandatory in France when Gerald was of missionary age? Parents joined when he was an infant but he didn’t serve as young man. Some liberal members hopes he talks more on environmental issues.

As presiding Bishop gave talks on stewardship. Like Spencer Kimball wants us to take care of property. Gerald was in charge of food industry in France. Knows we need equipment and food to grow food, cloth people and shelter. Talk on use what God gave us to use don’t misuse it. Don’t think he believes in global warming. Most people in industry do what they can to take care of there surroundings while providing materials we need to make life comfortable.

Some more liberal members want Dieter to become President. Dieter is pretty sympathetic to less active people, the sinners and the like. However the church is not the leaders but lords and prophet will declare mind and will of The Lord.

For apostles and missions as young men, Korea kept Dallin out strict who could be called. Served as president of Chicago stake mission compensation there. There was one mission per ward during Hal’s time and he had opportunity to take it. Gave it to someone else. In bio missions were revered but not expected. Brother had bad comps and experiences too in France. Uncle SWK wished he would have went mother don’t need too. Compensated as district missionary in Military. Albuquerque became stake, ga asked for numbers, he didn’t know frustrated ha, uncle Spencer asked about people he told him.

Did military keep,Dieter out or was it not expected at time too? Patrick joined at 26. Those are apostles that didn’t serve proselyting missions as young men. Apostles were called quick this time not waiting around. Clark seems straightforward. Maybe he was that way as President of Ricks and byupathway. What will he be like as apostles. Maybe like others stern in business bit down to earth around people in one on one settings.

A cousin of Gary’s was in our ward when he was pb. She had inside from what he did some contact with family. He came up to our area for training, our stake conference was scheduled for week of byu Utah game, but he came week later our conference pushed back week and he came to our Stale Conference. No Saturday meetings then.

i didn’t go to Stake conference at stake center. Invited primary then youth to shake his hand after meeting. With schedule and security hard to shake as many hands now. Apostles with good chance of being President, shoe ins may not make it such as Jeff or Hyrum Mack Smith. Harold B. Lee had short tenure. There were surprises like Spencer W. Kimball and Russell M. Nelson.

Present apostles that have good chance of leading church Dieter, David, Gary, Ulises, Patrick, Gerald and Clark. Those that didn’t serve missions t serve missions as young men will they still tell young men to serve? Sure they will, we believe in living prophets.