I learned in church today

[Rosebud]

So, according to my wife, who was just dumbfounded, in Relief Society she learned that men are called to be bishop because women are jealous, catty, and would be too emotional about other people's problems. No one challenged the teacher's assertion.

This is what is wrong in RS. This. This. This. I am so saddened watching women dis women without even realizing that they're doing so. So many of us honestly believe these things. It's like we've collectively tried to use logic to explain why god's church would define us the way it does then have internalized that logic so thoroughly that we don't see that we're hurting ourselves. It's very disheartening.

YW is even sadder because it's where older women teach younger women our collective, internalized logic (in the name of god) without even being cognizant of the burden they're placing on the shoulders of the next generation. . I hate to watch it.

The cycle will continue to repeat itself.........

[Sleeping in EQ]

This is what is wrong in RS. This. This. This. I am so saddened watching women dis women without even realizing that they're doing so. So many of us honestly believe these things. It's like we've collectively tried to use logic to explain why god's church would define us the way it does then have internalized that logic so thoroughly that we don't see that we're hurting ourselves. It's very disheartening.

YW is even sadder because it's where older women teach younger women our collective, internalized logic (in the name of god) without even being cognizant of the burden they're placing on the shoulders of the next generation. . I hate to watch it.

The cycle will continue to repeat itself.........

Alas, hegemony....

[pellegrino]

The lesson was on the parables of Jesus. Matthew 13 was the reading. The teacher suggested--in ignorance--that Jesus' method of teaching was anti-intellectual--and the counselor took up the refrain.

I suggested that Jesus met people on their own terms--that he knew how to teach the experts in the law, children, outcasts, women, the rank-and-file Jew.

I was admonished not to "take offense." It wasn't, of course, an issue of me taking offense, it was an issue of him being an asshole and a cultural bias that is fed by both political and religious streams.

Being "the other" in your own church sucks.

When did he admonish you to not take offense? Was it in the middle of the class or afterward? What an ass that he would #1 say that, knowing full well your occupation, #2 admonish you for disagreeing on what the text says as though his interpretation were the only correct one.

[Rosebud]

When did he admonish you to not take offense? Was it in the middle of the class or afterward? What an ass that he would #1 say that, knowing full well your occupation, #2 admonish you for disagreeing on what the text says as though his interpretation were the only correct one.

Especially considering that they were studying Matthew 13. Eeek! Even though I'm sure it was annoying (or worse) at the time, the irony makes it kind of funny. I can't help but chuckle.

[Sleeping in EQ]

When did he admonish you to not take offense? Was it in the middle of the class or afterward? What an ass that he would #1 say that, knowing full well your occupation, #2 admonish you for disagreeing on what the text says as though his interpretation were the only correct one.

He admonished me just after I made my comment. Two people came up to me after the meeting and made excuses for him. They said "He's just like that," and so on.

Yea, I'm having a rough ride at the moment.

[Paperback Writer]

The lesson was on the parables of Jesus. Matthew 13 was the reading. The teacher suggested--in ignorance--that Jesus' method of teaching was anti-intellectual--and the counselor took up the refrain.

I suggested that Jesus met people on their own terms--that he knew how to teach the experts in the law, children, outcasts, women, the rank-and-file Jew.

I was admonished not to "take offense." It wasn't, of course, an issue of me taking offense, it was an issue of him being an asshole and a cultural bias that is fed by both political and religious streams.

Being "the other" in your own church sucks.

So where did the intellectuals get "sorted out" to in your class? On the wayside? On stony ground? Choked up with the thorns? In my GD class, the teacher sorted "Mormon intellectuals" into the "being choked by thorns" category.

[Sleeping in EQ]

So where did the intellectuals get "sorted out" to in your class? On the wayside? On stony ground? Choked up with the thorns? In my GD class, the teacher sorted "Mormon intellectuals" into the "being choked by thorns" category.

There wasn't such overt sorting of the soil in my class. There was just the idea of parables being anti-intellectual.

[thesaint258]

The lesson was on the parables of Jesus. Matthew 13 was the reading. The teacher suggested--in ignorance--that Jesus' method of teaching was anti-intellectual--and the counselor took up the refrain.

I suggested that Jesus met people on their own terms--that he knew how to teach the experts in the law, children, outcasts, women, the rank-and-file Jew.

I was admonished not to "take offense." It wasn't, of course, an issue of me taking offense, it was an issue of him being an asshole and a cultural bias that is fed by both political and religious streams.

Being "the other" in your own church sucks.

This reminds me of the time someone told me that I was going to hell because I was studying philosophy. There are times when the only thing you can do is shake your head and hope they don't procreate.

[pellegrino]

He admonished me just after I made my comment. Two people came up to me after the meeting and made excuses for him. They said "He's just like that," and so on.

Yea, I'm having a rough ride at the moment.

the man needs some admonishing himself. is the entire bishopric cut from the same cloth?

[beefytee]

BYU and the Israeli government are excavating a site that had a plaque that says "house of laban" on it.

Also there is a symbol commonly used in meso-America that translates as "it came to pass".

[Jacob]

Before reading through the NT this year, I never realized how often Jesus uses legal arguments both in rebuffing the Jews and teaching the people.

[Sleeping in EQ]

the man needs some admonishing himself. is the entire bishopric cut from the same cloth?

No. The Bishop is a nice guy. I wish I wasn't so new in this ward as I'm sure I don't understand its dynamics.

[UtahDan]

Before reading through the NT this year, I never realized how often Jesus uses legal arguments both in rebuffing the Jews and teaching the people.

Ha. I have frequently run into people who have nicely or not nicely teased me about how Jesus felt about lawyers. I always ask them, what law do you suppose those lawyers were expert in? It certainly wasn't Roman law.

[UtahDan]

BYU and the Israeli government are excavating a site that had a plaque that says "house of laban" on it.

Also there is a symbol commonly used in meso-America that translates as "it came to pass".

The second one is awesome on so many levels.

[beefytee]

The second one is awesome on so many levels.

Doing a Google search, I was able to find this on the topic.

http://lehislibrary.wordpress.com/20...t-came-to-pass