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  • Katy Lied
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2008
    • 9435

    #4876
    Originally posted by SoonerCoug View Post
    You should have just said: There is no evidence whatsoever that Hebrews were in ancient Egypt, even with an extensive archaeological record.
    Egypt was invaded and conquered by a Semitic people known as the Hyksos. They established a dynasty of Semitic rulers. They were centered in the north of Egypt, in the area known as Goshen, so it's possible that the pharaohs of the Hyksos dynasty might have favored other Semites: they might have allowed them to enter in times of famine, and to dwell in the land of Goshen, which the Bible says — the Israelites lived in the land of Goshen. That Joseph, a Semitic foreigner, could be elevated to an important post, the post of governor, is a little less surprising, if we suppose there was a Semitic regime.
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    So the city was being reoccupied in the time of the pharaoh Ramses, Ramses II, in the thirteenth century. We do know that Egyptian officials allowed hungry nomads to enter the Delta region for food: we have records, written records of this. We also know that Semitic slaves are well attested in Egypt at this time, the end of the thirteenth century: we also have records of that. We know of a people called the Hapiru or 'Apiru. They don't seem to be an ethnic group so much as a marginalized social class, but some have suggested a connection with the word "Hebrew." We know that they worked on the building of the capital city of Ramses II. Other scholars deny that there would be any connection with "Hebrew." The debates are endless. One thirteenth-century Egyptian papyrus describes Egypt's tight control of her border areas, and another reports some Egyptian officials pursuing some runaway slaves. Obviously this happened from time to time, escaping into the desert. The Exodus story also contains many Egyptian elements. The names Moses, Aaron, Pinhas…these are all Egyptian names.
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    I dont understand why people are bothered by any teacher's lesson- even a buffoonish one. Just raise your hand and disagree nicely. Does it have to be a TED talk?

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    • Katy Lied
      Senior Member
      • Dec 2008
      • 9435

      #4877
      The elaborate nature of the Mother's Day celebrations are starting to bug me. IIRC, some wards hold a breakfast during the non-sacrament hour. Others have a wine and cheese party.

      If our meetings can be dispensed with when honoring mothers, are they really necessary at all?

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      • Katy Lied
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2008
        • 9435

        #4878
        I apparently am in a bad mood.

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        • SoonerCoug
          Joycelyn Elders Supporter
          • Nov 2008
          • 4680

          #4879
          Originally posted by Katy Lied View Post
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          I dont understand why people are bothered by any teacher's lesson- even a buffoonish one. Just raise your hand and disagree nicely. Does it have to be a TED talk?
          The teachers are not the problem. The problem I'm referring to is disregard for facts, and that comes from the very top.
          That which may be asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence. -C. Hitchens

          http://twitter.com/SoonerCoug

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          • Northwestcoug
            Cocked and Loaded
            • May 2011
            • 17971

            #4880
            Originally posted by Katy Lied View Post
            The elaborate nature of the Mother's Day celebrations are starting to bug me. IIRC, some wards hold a breakfast during the non-sacrament hour. Others have a wine and cheese party.

            If our meetings can be dispensed with when honoring mothers, are they really necessary at all?
            Can I have the name of the ward that does wine and cheese for mother's day? TIA
            "...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
            "You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
            - SeattleUte

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            • HuskyFreeNorthwest
              Time to camp
              • Nov 2008
              • 26082

              #4881
              The movie Minority Report was supposed to be rated R, but the movie companies knowing the millions of dollars lost by LDS people not willing to go and see it got it changed to PG13. There is another movie coming out soon, he can't remember the title, but it is the same.
              Get confident, stupid
              -landpoke

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              • YOhio
                Hipster Mode
                • Nov 2008
                • 26165

                #4882
                Originally posted by HuskyFreeNorthwest View Post
                The movie Minority Report was supposed to be rated R, but the movie companies knowing the millions of dollars lost by LDS people not willing to go and see it got it changed to PG13. There is another movie coming out soon, he can't remember the title, but it is the same.
                I think it was Saving Mr. Banks. I heard they cut out a nude scene in that movie to keep the lds audience.

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                • DrumNFeather
                  Invisible Swordsman
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 8854

                  #4883
                  Originally posted by HuskyFreeNorthwest View Post
                  When they release the bishop, they don't release the executive secretary. Boo!
                  You're the glue! This is your chance to shape everything..."yep, the last guy only had WC once a quarter for 30 min."
                  "They're good. They've always been good" - David Shaw.

                  Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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                  • smokymountainrain
                    Impressive Member
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 22593

                    #4884
                    Originally posted by Jacob View Post
                    I had a difficult time sitting through the Sunday School lesson a week or so ago. The topic was the Exodus, and the instructor couldn't help himself from taking the most literal interpretation possible, mixed in with some wild speculation. The major problems I had with the instruction were as follows:

                    Speculation:
                    Israel could not grow to the size it needed due to too many warring factions in Canaan. Therefore, to fulfill his promise to Abraham, God sent a famine to drive his people to Egypt. (He very thoughtfully had Joseph's brothers sell him into slavery as a preparatory step.)
                    Once in Egypt, Israel became much too comfortable and didn't want to leave. But, again, to fulfill his promise to Abraham (inherit Canaan), God needed to make them just uncomfortable enough to want to leave Egypt. To accomplish this, he had them enslaved. (But wait, while enslavement will doubtless lead to Isreal's desire to leave Egypt, won't it also make it impossible for them to leave?)

                    My only comment during this portion of the lesson: "If God's purpose was for them to desire to leave Egypt, generations of enslavement sure is a nasty way of going about it." Response from instructor: Well, we don't really know how long they were slaves. Maybe not generations.

                    Why would someone want to believe in such a God? The text certainly doesn't require the reader to believe that God forces his chosen people to relocate by enslaving them and killing many of them off with famines. Even for the most faithful, this seems like an absurd speculation.

                    Literal Interpretation:

                    The instructor and a few class-members concluded that there were more than 2 million Hebrews who left Egypt. I believe this view is actually supported by the text, but quite ridiculous when considering history and context. Also, that they had an army of 600,000 men. He then asked what could they do with an army of that size? My response: Well, they certainly wouldn't have had any trouble conquering any foe in Canaan, or the rest of the world, for that matter. (including Egypt)
                    You live in Wyoming. You can pretty much kiss being taught correct doctrine goodbye.
                    I'm like LeBron James.
                    -mpfunk

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                    • Hypoplastic
                      Out chasing ambulances
                      • Sep 2012
                      • 110

                      #4885
                      Originally posted by HuskyFreeNorthwest View Post
                      The movie Minority Report was supposed to be rated R, but the movie companies knowing the millions of dollars lost by LDS people not willing to go and see it got it changed to PG13. There is another movie coming out soon, he can't remember the title, but it is the same.
                      This sounds like it came from a guy in a ward I used to be in. He gave an EQ lesson on society's declining values. In it he said that Gone With the Wind was originally rated R for the use of the word 'damn' and was subsequently re-rated. Maybe I should have told him the R rating had not yet been established in 1939, but I was more curious to hear what other "facts" he would present. He also said that Pretty Woman's rating was downgraded to PG-13. Surprisingly, he did not relate any version of the story that the Matrix had been re-rated.

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                      • MarkGrace
                        Grooveshark dick tease
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 31546

                        #4886
                        Primary was cancelled yesterday so we went to walk around downtown, hit the market to grab some flowers and lunch, and then headed over to Golden Gardens to lay around and read books. Not going to church is much more enjoyable than going to church.
                        So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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                        • smokymountainrain
                          Impressive Member
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 22593

                          #4887
                          Originally posted by MarkGrace View Post
                          Primary was cancelled yesterday so we went to walk around downtown, hit the market to grab some flowers and lunch, and then headed over to Golden Gardens to lay around and read books. Not going to church is much more enjoyable than going to church.
                          Lol
                          I'm like LeBron James.
                          -mpfunk

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                          • TripletDaddy
                            sweet triple
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 58186

                            #4888
                            Originally posted by MarkGrace View Post
                            Primary was cancelled yesterday so we went to walk around downtown, hit the market to grab some flowers and lunch, and then headed over to Golden Gardens to lay around and read books. Not going to church is much more enjoyable than going to church.
                            eventually you will feel like something is missing.
                            Fitter. Happier. More Productive.

                            sigpic

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                            • Uncle Ted
                              The Big 12 money shot.
                              • Apr 2010
                              • 28853

                              #4889
                              As it states in Doctrine and Covenants 110:11 the lost ten tribes are in the north. In fact, Rear Admiral E. Byrd saw where they live:



                              And they travel around in flying saucers.

                              Could the earth, moon, planets and stars all be hollow bodies? Amazingly, the answer is Yes! And very likely inhabited within! Come join us on our voyage of discovery...
                              "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
                              "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
                              "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
                              GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                              • myboynoah
                                Senior Member
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 21719

                                #4890
                                Originally posted by Uncle Ted View Post
                                As it states in Doctrine and Covenants 110:11 the lost ten tribes are in the north. In fact, Rear Admiral E. Byrd saw where they live:



                                And they travel around in flying saucers.

                                http://www.ourhollowearth.com
                                My 5th grade teacher talked about the hollow earth. Those were exciting times. The possibilities were endless.
                                Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

                                For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

                                Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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