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  • Pelado
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    Originally posted by BigFatMeanie View Post
    Resurrection is one of those things that is mind-boggling to comprehend as well as nonsensical according to my understanding of the laws of physics; however, I surely hope it is real.

    To me, the concepts of resurrection and faith and hope are inextricably tied together. I love reading Ether 12 and thinking about the interplay between resurrection, faith, and hope.
    If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.

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  • Eddie
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    Originally posted by UVACoug View Post
    Must be true. I learned in Sunday School as a teenager that cremating a loved one was one of the gravest sims because it prevented them from being resurrected.
    Kind of sad to know that anyone who dies in a fire and is burned up will basically be stuck in paradise/prison for eternity because they can't be resurrected. Really sad.

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  • UVACoug
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    Originally posted by Eddie View Post
    OK - not really "learned in church", but hopefully close enough to count.

    My daughter-in-law is taking a Doctrine and Covenants institute class. She says that the teacher likes to get into some deep doctrinal conversations from time to time, and ended up asking me what I thought of the teacher's latest point of discussion during dinner yesterday.

    Apparently the teacher told them that upon Christ's resurrection, EVERY good person who had died prior to Christ and was worthy of being resurrected during the "first resurrection" was resurrected at that time. Kind of a reference to Matthew 27:52-53, I suppose.

    So here's the fun part - this guy told them that because all of the good people who died before Christ were resurrected with Christ, that means that when archeologists find the bones of humans that pre-date Christ, that means that those individuals were not good people. Because if they had been good people they would've been resurrected and there would be no bones to find.

    Admittedly, this is third hand. But that's one of the craziest things I've heard coming from a seminary/institute teacher in a while.
    Must be true. I learned in Sunday School as a teenager that cremating a loved one was one of the gravest sims because it prevented them from being resurrected.

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  • BigFatMeanie
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    Resurrection is one of those things that is mind-boggling to comprehend as well as nonsensical according to my understanding of the laws of physics; however, I surely hope it is real.

    To me, the concepts of resurrection and faith and hope are inextricably tied together. I love reading Ether 12 and thinking about the interplay between resurrection, faith, and hope.

    Leave a comment:


  • Northwestcoug
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    Originally posted by Eddie View Post
    I remember being taught the part in the Matthew scripture I included - that there were some "good saints" who were resurrected and seen by others. I don't recall ever being taught that they ALL were resurrected.

    If they were ALL resurrected - that kind of sucks for the people in spirit prison who need to be taught the gospel and accept their temple baptism. I mean - suddenly there is no one there who can teach them - apparently they all left with Jesus after his three day sojourn, which we are told He spent organizing the work (which suddenly was non-existent because everyone left with him) So these poor suckers are stuck there waiting for good people to start dying again so that there are people to teach them.
    You're right. I don't recall hearing that all of them were. Just a nebulous amount of 'good'.

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  • Eddie
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    Originally posted by Northwestcoug View Post
    I remember being taught the first part (good people resurrected with Christ). But not the 'logical' conclusion. I wish I had. That is pantheon-level deep doctrine!
    I remember being taught the part in the Matthew scripture I included - that there were some "good saints" who were resurrected and seen by others. I don't recall ever being taught that they ALL were resurrected.

    If they were ALL resurrected - that kind of sucks for the people in spirit prison who need to be taught the gospel and accept their temple baptism. I mean - suddenly there is no one there who can teach them - apparently they all left with Jesus after his three day sojourn, which we are told He spent organizing the work (which suddenly was non-existent because everyone left with him) So these poor suckers are stuck there waiting for good people to start dying again so that there are people to teach them.

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  • Northwestcoug
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    I remember being taught the first part (good people resurrected with Christ). But not the 'logical' conclusion. I wish I had. That is pantheon-level deep doctrine!

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  • swampfrog
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    Originally posted by Moliere View Post
    I love the doctrine (or whatever you want to call it) that our resurrected body can only be made from the deteriorated remnants of our mortal body. I also love crazy seminary/institute doctrine.
    Since at some level the decomposition becomes part of other plant/animal life, it will make for some comically and permanently connected resurrected beings.

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  • Sullyute
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    Originally posted by Eddie View Post
    OK - not really "learned in church", but hopefully close enough to count.

    My daughter-in-law is taking a Doctrine and Covenants institute class. She says that the teacher likes to get into some deep doctrinal conversations from time to time, and ended up asking me what I thought of the teacher's latest point of discussion during dinner yesterday.

    Apparently the teacher told them that upon Christ's resurrection, EVERY good person who had died prior to Christ and was worthy of being resurrected during the "first resurrection" was resurrected at that time. Kind of a reference to Matthew 27:52-53, I suppose.

    So here's the fun part - this guy told them that because all of the good people who died before Christ were resurrected with Christ, that means that when archeologists find the bones of humans that pre-date Christ, that means that those individuals were not good people. Because if they had been good people they would've been resurrected and there would be no bones to find.

    Admittedly, this is third hand. But that's one of the craziest things I've heard coming from a seminary/institute teacher in a while.
    So based on that there should never be any child bones younger than 8 ever found before 33 CE!?!

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  • Moliere
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    Originally posted by Eddie View Post
    OK - not really "learned in church", but hopefully close enough to count.

    My daughter-in-law is taking a Doctrine and Covenants institute class. She says that the teacher likes to get into some deep doctrinal conversations from time to time, and ended up asking me what I thought of the teacher's latest point of discussion during dinner yesterday.

    Apparently the teacher told them that upon Christ's resurrection, EVERY good person who had died prior to Christ and was worthy of being resurrected during the "first resurrection" was resurrected at that time. Kind of a reference to Matthew 27:52-53, I suppose.

    So here's the fun part - this guy told them that because all of the good people who died before Christ were resurrected with Christ, that means that when archeologists find the bones of humans that pre-date Christ, that means that those individuals were not good people. Because if they had been good people they would've been resurrected and there would be no bones to find.

    Admittedly, this is third hand. But that's one of the craziest things I've heard coming from a seminary/institute teacher in a while.
    I love the doctrine (or whatever you want to call it) that our resurrected body can only be made from the deteriorated remnants of our mortal body. I also love crazy seminary/institute doctrine.

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  • Bo Diddley
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    Originally posted by Eddie View Post
    OK - not really "learned in church", but hopefully close enough to count.

    My daughter-in-law is taking a Doctrine and Covenants institute class. She says that the teacher likes to get into some deep doctrinal conversations from time to time, and ended up asking me what I thought of the teacher's latest point of discussion during dinner yesterday.

    Apparently the teacher told them that upon Christ's resurrection, EVERY good person who had died prior to Christ and was worthy of being resurrected during the "first resurrection" was resurrected at that time. Kind of a reference to Matthew 27:52-53, I suppose.

    So here's the fun part - this guy told them that because all of the good people who died before Christ were resurrected with Christ, that means that when archeologists find the bones of humans that pre-date Christ, that means that those individuals were not good people. Because if they had been good people they would've been resurrected and there would be no bones to find.

    Admittedly, this is third hand. But that's one of the craziest things I've heard coming from a seminary/institute teacher in a while.
    That's awesome. It's the sort of thing you learn from other missionaries in the field.

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  • Eddie
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    OK - not really "learned in church", but hopefully close enough to count.

    My daughter-in-law is taking a Doctrine and Covenants institute class. She says that the teacher likes to get into some deep doctrinal conversations from time to time, and ended up asking me what I thought of the teacher's latest point of discussion during dinner yesterday.

    Apparently the teacher told them that upon Christ's resurrection, EVERY good person who had died prior to Christ and was worthy of being resurrected during the "first resurrection" was resurrected at that time. Kind of a reference to Matthew 27:52-53, I suppose.

    So here's the fun part - this guy told them that because all of the good people who died before Christ were resurrected with Christ, that means that when archeologists find the bones of humans that pre-date Christ, that means that those individuals were not good people. Because if they had been good people they would've been resurrected and there would be no bones to find.

    Admittedly, this is third hand. But that's one of the craziest things I've heard coming from a seminary/institute teacher in a while.

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  • MartyFunkhouser
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    Originally posted by Commando View Post
    The first five minutes really reel you in. No doubt he's seen it.
    I bet he has seen it, but he got his copy from Cleanflix.

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  • Scott R Nelson
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    Originally posted by Eddie View Post
    We got a new Ward Music Chair about 6 months ago, and I LOVE what she's been doing with the music in our Sacrament Meetings.
    Back about 2015 when I still lived in Folsom, about once a month they would have two families sing a song - usually a primary song. The four parents and all the kids did it. It wasn't like a professional singer or even a great choir, but it made us all smile and we enjoyed hearing them sing. I should suggest that for our current ward.

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  • Commando
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    Originally posted by LVAllen View Post
    Wasn't today, but I leaned Elder Holland has seen Jerry Maguire.
    The first five minutes really reel you in. No doubt he's seen it.

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