Which of these Mormon tenets are most difficult for you to obey?

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  • CardiacCoug
    вот так штука
    • Nov 2008
    • 11013

    #16
    Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
    These requirements, most of which don't do much to relieve suffering in the world, are much about control. Think about how wearing garments and avoiding drink marks you as a pod person in the everyday secular world.
    What's a pod person?

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    • SeattleUte
      Faith crisis consultant
      • Nov 2008
      • 20837

      #17
      Originally posted by CardiacCoug View Post
      What's a pod person?
      A conformist.
      When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

      --Jonathan Swift

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      • MarkGrace
        Grooveshark dick tease
        • Dec 2008
        • 31546

        #18
        Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
        I don't keep one of them. I have a perfect record!
        I'm not doing much better than you are.
        So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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        • Maximus
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2009
          • 6007

          #19
          Originally posted by clackamascoug View Post
          Nothing on the list is "mandatory" for salvation. Observance of the list is extra credit that brings with it blessings, that assist our daily personal lives.
          What do you mean by salvation? I find it hard to believe that obedience, at least striving to be obedient, is not necessary for salvation.

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          • clackamascoug
            Banned
            • Dec 2009
            • 9709

            #20
            Originally posted by Maximus View Post
            What do you mean by salvation? I find it hard to believe that obedience, at least striving to be obedient, is not necessary for salvation.
            I'll put it back in your court. Which of the above tenants would exclude exaltation (salvation) if not practiced perfectly.

            In my mind salvation is at least the Telestial Kingdom, but I actually meant the Celestial Kingdom when I wrote my initial statement.

            BTW... How many of you would be comfortable in not going to the Celestial Kingdom. To me it would seem like a huge responsibility, kind of like being a Bishop, of which I have to admit not wanting to ever bear that burden.

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            • il Padrino Ute
              Junior Member
              • Nov 2008
              • 19161

              #21
              Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
              These requirements, most of which don't do much to relieve suffering in the world, are much about control. Think about how wearing garments and avoiding drink marks you as a pod person in the everyday secular world.
              Did it ever occur to you that perhaps those in the secular world are the pod people?
              "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill


              "I only know what I hear on the news." - Dear Leader

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              • BoylenOver
                Junior Member
                • Nov 2008
                • 9146

                #22
                If I was LDS, I would be able to do the FHE (although having other people to do it with at the current moment is problematic) and the tithing (direct deposit). Daily prayer, maybe. Monthly temple attendance, perhaps. Everything else, nope.
                "I don't know the origin of said bitch booming."-Art Vandelay
                "Hot Lunch posted awhile back on this. He knows more than anyone except for maybe BO."-Seattle Ute

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                • DrumNFeather
                  Invisible Swordsman
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 8854

                  #23
                  Originally posted by BoylenOver View Post
                  If I was LDS, I would be able to do the FHE (although having other people to do it with at the current moment is problematic) and the tithing (direct deposit). Daily prayer, maybe. Monthly temple attendance, perhaps. Everything else, nope.
                  We're still a ways away from direct deposit, but it's coming.
                  "They're good. They've always been good" - David Shaw.

                  Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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                  • DrumNFeather
                    Invisible Swordsman
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 8854

                    #24
                    For where I am in life right now I'd say temple attendence, though I never regret going once I have gone.
                    "They're good. They've always been good" - David Shaw.

                    Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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                    • Sleeping in EQ
                      Philosopher of Men
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 4188

                      #25
                      I'm on the board of an independent cinema. I can't do my board work while avoiding rated "R" films.
                      We all trust our own unorthodoxies.

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                      • BoylenOver
                        Junior Member
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 9146

                        #26
                        Originally posted by DrumNFeather View Post
                        We're still a ways away from direct deposit, but it's coming.
                        You guys really are old-fashioned.
                        "I don't know the origin of said bitch booming."-Art Vandelay
                        "Hot Lunch posted awhile back on this. He knows more than anyone except for maybe BO."-Seattle Ute

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                        • marsupial
                          Mississippi Queen
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 3678

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Sleeping in EQ View Post
                          I'm on the board of an independent cinema. I can't do my board work while avoiding rated "R" films.
                          Can't you just ask to see the CleanFlix versions
                          What's to explain? It's a bunch of people, most of whom you've never met, who are just as likely to be homicidal maniacs as they are to be normal everyday people, with whom you share the minutiae of your everyday life. It's totally normal, and everyone would understand.
                          -Teenage Dirtbag

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                          • Surfah
                            Where's Wallace?
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 33726

                            #28
                            My monthly temple attendance is not where I'd like it to be. We're maybe once a quarter now. If getting to the DC temple wasn't such a pain in the ass and we didn't have a newborn it'd be easier. I know we live with my parents, but going to the temple here, because who knows what the beltway will be like, can be a half a day thing. We were much better about it in Utah and went about once a month. I love the temple and not being as dilligent in going makes me feel guilty.

                            My daily scripture study sucks. It's something I have struggled with since the mission. A few times a year I make a concerted effort for a week or two or three and then it becomes sporadic again. I will say though that I do end up looking at the scriptures online quite a bit during some of our discussions here in the Foyer. Easily 3-4 times a week. But I don't count that as it's not dedicated scripture study. I am typically not bothered by this except during the "are we doing all we can be doing?" moments in Church.

                            Considering the last movie I watched in the theater was Star Trek rated R movies shouldn't be an issue. But we'll Redbox or netflix something. We just saw Hurt Locker over the weekend for example. When we moved to Virgina though we sold all over rated R DVDs to Media Play in Murray for whatever that's worth. I can compartmentalize this pretty easily and don't feel any tinges of guilt over it.

                            Everything else on the list has been pretty easy for me thus far.
                            "Nobody listens to Turtle."
                            -Turtle
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                            • marsupial
                              Mississippi Queen
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 3678

                              #29
                              Last year I went to the temple when my adopted nephew was sealed to his family. Excluding that, I haven't been to the temple in almost 3 years. I went in Dallas right before we moved here. It was hard enough (motivation wise) in Dallas and Memphis when we were 20 minutes from the temple to get a sitter and make the trip. Now that the temple is three hours away, I don't even think of it as a possibility, though if I were more devout I could certainly make it work.
                              Last edited by marsupial; 05-27-2010, 06:20 AM.
                              What's to explain? It's a bunch of people, most of whom you've never met, who are just as likely to be homicidal maniacs as they are to be normal everyday people, with whom you share the minutiae of your everyday life. It's totally normal, and everyone would understand.
                              -Teenage Dirtbag

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                              • Moliere
                                One man.....one pie
                                • Oct 2009
                                • 27796

                                #30
                                Originally posted by clackamascoug View Post
                                I'll put it back in your court. Which of the above tenants would exclude exaltation (salvation) if not practiced perfectly.

                                In my mind salvation is at least the Telestial Kingdom, but I actually meant the Celestial Kingdom when I wrote my initial statement.

                                BTW... How many of you would be comfortable in not going to the Celestial Kingdom. To me it would seem like a huge responsibility, kind of like being a Bishop, of which I have to admit not wanting to ever bear that burden.
                                Tithing and Sabbath day observance.....and well I guess the WoW as a psuedo commandment (that darn Emma!). Those are probably the only two that are actual commandments, the others (well some of them) are guidelines to help us spiritually. But saying "practiced perfectly" has to imply the fact that even if you slip you can be forgiven.
                                "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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